ASSEMBLY THREAD DEC 200BC- Dec 199BC
Message: Vox Populii: Speech to the People re: "Candidates"
Author: Himself, - Victorious Marius
Date: Mar 5, 1998 01:52
"Friends, Romans, and countrymen! The citizens of our great city have long acknowledged that every man who aspires to serve the People by holding public office deserves our respect and our gratitude.
"However, the People also know that the honor of holding a civil post - particularly election to the esteemed College of Tribunes - is a grave responsibility, and NOT to be awarded to just ANY Gaius, Lucius, or Theodius whose name is put before them as a candidate for office.
"Experience has taught the People that they should regard with SUSPICION any candidate who fails to speak before the Assembly and disclose his QUALIFICATIONS, his INTENTIONS, and his AFFILIATIONS. At the very least, before we give a candidate our trust and our votes, we have the RIGHT to know his position on the issues of the day and his proposed policies for the future. After all, if a man cannot at least SPEAK on his OWN behalf, how can we expect him to ACT on OUR behalf?
"Fellow Romans, I ask you: are the descendants of Romulus mere sheep, expected to vote blindly for a candidate simply because he is a friend of a friend of a friend? We are NOT! We Romans do NOT elect men who take the privilege of public service for granted and casually WALK for office. We Romans expect a candidate to PROVE he is worthy of the job! We Romans expect a candidate to EARN his position of honor by RUNNING for office!
"I urge you, fellow citizens: WITHHOLD your vote from ANY candidate for office who fails to have the COURTESY to present his case to you himself, IN THIS ASSEMBLY, and EARN your vote by speaking clearly, frankly, and honestly. To do otherwise, my fellow Romans, is to ASK to be shorn of your rights, your fortunes, and your honor!"
Message: Support for Bloodless Expansion
Author: Himself, - Victorious Marius
Date: Mar 10, 1998 14:00
Citizens! I call to your attention the wisdom and foresight of the honorable senator, C.L.Drusus.
His proposal before the Senate to found a Roman colony at Salernum is clearly the easiest, most economical, and most effective way to extend the power and strength of Rome. By founding such colonies, we will increase our population base, our potential for wealth, and influence over our neighbors -- all without costing the life of a single son of Rome.
By his proposal, C.L.Drusus' demonstrates a clear vision for the prosperity of all Romans and a sensitivity to families with military-age sons. I encourage all Citizens to support C.L.Drusus on this matter by encouraging other members of the Senate to vote their approval of the new colony. Indeed, we should encourage the Senate to vote for more colonies as opportunities arise. It is through colonization of peaceful lands that we will most rapidly secure the economic and population base needed to fulfill our destinies against those who would destroy us!
Message: A suggestion for the Tribunes...
Author: Patriotically, - Victorious Marius
Date: Mar 10, 1998 14:24
Per my previous speech, I respectuflly suggest to those Tribunes who agree with C.L.Drusus' excellent proposal that we establish a colony at Salernum, that they show their support by passing a "Non-Binding Vote of Support for Colonization" as soon as possible.
Such an action would send a clear message to the Senate and would surely be remembere by the People when our honored Tribunes run for office in the future.
Message: It has come to my attention...
Author: Tribune - - Theodious Cocceius
Date: Mar 21, 1998 02:12
that the honorable equestrian, Drakus Domitius, wishes to apply for the posotion of Gladiatorial Aedile, I fully support his application for the position.
Thank you
Message: Totally...
Author: Tribune - Theodious Cocceius
Date: Mar 21, 1998 02:18
in favor of CL Drusus' proposal for Rome to found the colony of Salernum. I hope the Senate will make the right choice!
Message: My fellow Romans
Author: candidate - Drakus Domitius
Date: Mar 21, 1998 11:31
The greatness of our fair city need not be expounded upon. Therefore I will refrain from such trite phrases that serve those who seek to sway the people. Instead, allow me to inform you of why I chose to run for Gladiatorial Aedile.
Rome accomplished many great things every month. These accomplishements are worthy of recognition. That recognition comes through the celebrations given for them. The grandness of the celebrations are a direct correlary of the accomplishment. I will provide grand spectacles in the celebration of Rome's victories and accomplishments. These in conjunction with the Arena games provided by Victorius Marius will amply celebrate Rome's greatness.
In addition, the people of Rome deserve entertainment. We work hard, do we not my fellow Romans. After such heavy labor as we perform, we deserve to have the option to go to the Arena and watch a gladiatorial match of other event. I will make sure that such events are common and entertaining.
Elect me as Gladiatorial Aedile and Rome's arenas will never lay empty of sport.
Message: In support of Drakus Domitius
Author: Himself, - Victorious Marius
Date: Mar 22, 1998 12:09
I am pleased to cast my vote for Gladiatorial Aedile to candidate Drakus Domitius, and I urge my fellow citizens to give him their support as well.
As anyone who has read the rules governing the duties of the Gladiatorial Aedile knows, this post is one of the most demanding of all civil offices. I commend the courage and civic-spirit of D.Domitius in seeking the position. I particularly commend his pledge to help make life in our Eternal City more complete by being an active and conscientious administrator of our public combat games.
I am impressed by this public expression of commitment, and I look forward to his adding even greater glory and texture to our Imperium experience upon his election.
A vote for Drakus Domitius as Gladiatorial Aedile is a vote for a better Imperium!
Message: On gladiatorial games
Author: candidate - Drakus Domitius
Date: Mar 30, 1998 12:24
I thank those who have stood out in support of me for this position. They do me a great honor.
For the rest of Rome, is the matter of gladiatorial aedile of such little import to you? Our great city was founded and built upon the contest of arms. Our patron is Mars, the god of war and valor. Should we not honor him with games dedicated to him? Should we not seek to give glory to Mars?
Without filling the position of Gladiatorial Aedile, this will not be done, and Mars will grow displeased with us. I beg of you, fill this office that the god have joy in us. Let there be games!
Message: Rome needs public works!
Author: Senator - Favonius Cornelius
Date: May 5, 1998 18:34
People of Rome!!
I come before you today to speak of an office that has a need to be filled, that of Public Works Aedile. Sadly we have neglected this importent cultural office, leaving Romes water supply, roads and statuary in a sad need of repair. Take heart Romans, for I am running for this position! You can be sure that with my steadfast dedication, all will be repaired, and some suprising new features will add to the beauty and majesty that is Romes.
Message: F.C. Pola For a Cleaner Rome!
Author: Arena Aedile - Victorious Marius
Date: May 17, 1998 00:28
Citizens!
I am pleased to announce my support for the honorable Favonius Cornelius Pola for the post of Public Works Aedile.
Those who have read his speeches know him as a consistent advocate for the greater glory and advancement of the Republic. I, for one, am eager to see the surprising new features he promises to add to the beauty and majesty of our city.
I urge all Citizens to vote for Favonius Cornelius Pola as Public Works Aedile.
Message: Lex Drusa Bellona Macedonis
Author: Drusus - Caius Livius
Date: May 22, 1998 07:43
Friends, Romans, Countrymen!
I speak to you today to bring to your attention a situation that has been allowed to continue for too long.
I speak of Philip of Macedon, a man who has been allowed to go unpunished for his crimes against our great nation and his craven support of Hannibal in the last Punic war. I say to you that this must not be allowed to continue! Rome is strong, her reputation is at stake, we must not allow the tin-pot king of an over-the-hill country to think that he can kill Roman citizens with impunity and get away with it, or we will face uprisings in all of our conquered provinces.
Now is the time, I say to you, with Carthage silenced and the risk of other problems in our empire well covered by the legions recently posted by the Senate. I ask you to declare WAR! on Philip of Macedon and to dispatch a land force of three legions (two Roman, one allied) under the command of one of our esteemed Consuls, or if they decline then to whoever they feel would be most likely to succeed, via Gallia Cisalpina and Illiria to crush Philip and submit Macedonia to Roman rule. One further legion of troops should be stationed in Brundisium to prevent a sneak attack on Rome whilst our troops are en-route.
I have sought the opinions of more knowledgeable heads than mine on this matter indeed the great Scipio Africanus, victor over Carthage, said to me last evening that a campaign is warranted, though he cautioned us to consider the difficulties of campaigning in winter, the transportation by sea being an additional problem. This is why I suggest a land march, through lands that are temperate in climate, even in winter. If this house feels that a delay is warranted then it may propose a delay in starting the campaign until after the winter, though I am sure that if we start now we will be in the relative warmth of southern Illiria, on Macedonia’s borders before the worst of the weather hits the north of our peninsula.
So, my friends, do we go to war? for the greater glory of Rome! or do we sit here and wait for other moschitos to nip away at our backsides before we act!
Message: For war against Macedon
Author: A message from Gn. Atius Pertinax, care of - Diocletian Valerius
Date: May 22, 1998 10:54
People of Rome, Macedon poses a long term threat to our power and stability. Every king of Macedon sees himself as a new Alexander, lord of the world. This particular king thumbs his regal nose at us and our allies every chance he gets. By all means a declaration of war would be the best thing to do - we have good generals available and a war hardened people. I urge that we have no misconceptions, however - Philip has a crack military at his disposal, and lives in a mountainous land. We will need all of our fortitude to vercome him. But overcome him we will, with the help of leaders like Gaius Livius Drusus.
Message: For war
Author: Gladiatorial Aedile - Drakus Domitius
Date: May 22, 1998 13:27
Caius Livius Drusus makes a strong argument. Macedon has insulted our honor and killed our citizens. Phillip must be punished for these crimes against Rome.
I also agree that marching now will catch Phillip off-guard. We will be able to hit him when he is not expecting it. I say yes to the Lex Drusa Bellona Macedonis.
Message: Speech by NPC Lucius Regulus, Tribune of the Plebes
Author: As Umpire - Victorious Marius
Date: May 23, 1998 19:23
(Posted on behalf of a PC who wishes to remain anonymous.)
Citizens!
How long will we standy idly by while the Macedonian jackel runs rampant among our allies in the East?
How long will we allow the Beast of the East to enslave the peoples of the Aegean?
How long will we sleep while Philip V continues to strengthen his position by building forts like those he has built at Demetrias, Calcis, and Corinth?
Every day we delay is another day the Macedonians grow stronger and the friends of Rome suffer. I urge every citizen to support the call for war against Macedonia!
Message: Speech by NPC Appius Billienus Orestes, Tribune of the Plebes
Author: As Umpire - Victorious Marius
Date: May 23, 1998 19:37
Citizens!
I, as all other patriotic Romans must, condemn the transgressions of Philip of Macedon. For this reason, I wholeheartedly support the current call for war we have before us.
However, as a matter of law and custom -- and as an obligation of my office -- I am obliged to point out that the Lex Drusa Bellona Macedonis contains matters which the Assembly may not lawfully consider. Specifically, while this body is fully within its right as the ONLY body eligible to declare war, it is beyond our authority to raise troops or reassign the military resources of the Republic. I am sure this is merely an oversight due to the enthusiams of the proponents of the law. However, should the declaration of war be ratified, all citizens should be aware that the provisions for mobilizing or moving troops would, unfortunately, be invalid.
I suggest that these issues of troop mobilization and mililtary assignments could easily -- and more properly -- be handled by the Senate. If they remain in the proposal before us, I feel duty-bound to veto it.
Message: Against War with Macedonia
Author: Arena Aedile - Victorious Marius
Date: May 26, 1998 01:23
Citizens!
While I agree with the sentiments behind the proposal to make war on Macedonia, I fear that if it is adopted at this time, it would put the Republic in a dangerously vulnerable position. I stand before you to explain the likely consequences of this ill-timed proposal and to ask your support in defeating it. My reasoning is thus:
1. First, it's the wrong season to begin a war with Macedonia. We are facing five more months of winter. During this period, any movement by sea faces twice the probability of loss than during non-winter months. (The recent disaster that befell the ships ferrying the legions to Sicilia should have taught us all of the consequences of risking sea travel during winter months!). This travel restriction would eliminate the possibility of strategic surprise in any attack we mounted against Macedonia. Philip will know the only route a Roman army can take to reach him will be through Illyria -- and he'll be waiting for us.
2. Second, the Republic presently faces far greater threats at home than those presented by Philip abroad. Although the probability of rebellion in Roman-controlled areas is greatly reduced during winter, it remains significant (25% in Sardinia, Corsica, and the three provinces of Hispania). Until these areas are adequately garrisoned and enough Roman colonies are founded to further reduce the risk of rebellion, it is extremely likely that there will be uprisings in all of these areas before winter is through. When this happens, the income to the Republic's treasury from these areas is likely to be lost for months. There is no way the Republic will be able to handle uprisings in the provinces and fight our most powerful neighbor at the same time without adequate tax income from the provinces.
3. Third, while Philip will undoubtedly have to be dealt with in the near future, he has not yet made any overt provocations or threats toward the Republic. Yes, there have been delegations from some of the Eastern states asking for our help. But is the Republic to be the world's vigiles? And wouldn't it be wiser to require trade concessions or some other form of compensation from those who seek our help? Surely we should not have to bear the cost of a war in which Roman blood is spilled in defense of others? And if we attack Philip without cause -- or even a pretense of a cause -- how can we expect other powers like Egypt and the Seleucidian Empire to respond?
I believe that these three, practical objections alone are sufficient to convince any reasonable man that we should at least pause and consider the ramifications of a declaration of war against Macedonia rather than be stampeded into passing the proposal now before the Assembly. I ask all who have influence with the Assembly to please post your opposition (by 5/29/98) to the proposal to declare war on Macedonia now before the Assembly.
And don't misunderstand me, citizens. The day to make war on Philip will come -- but it should be a day when we have every advantage possible on our side to make sure it is a victorious war, not a war rushed into when we are inadequately prepared. Not a war without a firm moral base. Not a war that would be fought while we are at an economic and military disadvantage.
Message: On war with Macedonia
Author: Gladiatorial Aedile - Drakus Domitius
Date: May 26, 1998 16:28
While I respect greatly the opinions of our Arena Aedile, I must support the Lex Drusa Bellona Macedonis. Despite the points raised by the esteemed Victorious Marius, I believe that we must go to the aid of our allies immediately. If we do not, Philip will only grow stronger as he subdues more and more of Greece. In addition, we are the ALLIES of those Philip is attacking. It is our duty to aid them, and if we do not, we lose our honor.
My fellow Romans, cast your votes in favor of the Lex Drusa Bellona Macedonis. It will provide Philip with a much needed lesson about defying the Roman people.
Message: Against war with Macedonia
Author: Luciens Aemilius - Hephestes Cleomenes
Date: May 27, 1998 00:50
I am against war with Macedonia since winter is coming and will present problems as has been seen already with our ships transporting legions to Sicily.Also,we need to place additional legions to cover all our provinces first and pacify them if necessary.Economic consolidation in our provinces should be attended to while we let winter pass so we'll be financially able to prosecute the war with no unforseen financial problems.War with Macedonia can come after winter and we create new military units especially for such an enterprise which will be used also to occupy Macedonia when conquered.
Message: Supporting Lex Drusa Bellona Macedonis - Patrician Minutus Manlius
Author: As Umpire - Victorious Marius
Date: May 29, 1998 20:54
(Minutus Manlius e-mailed me today saying he was having difficulty with his Internet connection. He asked me to post the following on his behalf.)
Patres conscriptii, quirites!
After a long term of cognitation realized all parts of the problem it turned obvious before me, that the closest interrests of Rome require to install the Lex Drusa Bellona Macedonis immediately and begin the preparations to lead a campaign against the macedonian ruler Philip. So, I completely support this proposal!
I am ready to share my arguments with you patres, although recently let it be enough to say: Easier to ward off the trouble, than cure the disease. Let's cut the beginning ulcer out off Rome's body! Death on Philip!
Concerning to Sicilia and Corsica: Our delegated governor probably will be able to handle this matter. To treat his difficulties? It is not our task!
Sardinia, of course, not Corsica :)
Message: Support for the Lex Drusa Bellona Macedonis
Author: Decimus Junius Pompeius, care of - Pompey Domitius
Date: May 30, 1998 02:16
I support this bill. Macedon must understand that their crimes will not go unpunished and that Rome is sacrosanct.
Message: The completion of my duties as Aedile
Author: Public Works Aedile - Favonius Cornelius
Date: Jun 15, 1998 23:55
(On a suprizingly nice day in November, Favonius Cornelius gives a speech to a crowd gathered in the Basilica Aemilia after notices were posted across the city.)
Citizens of Rome! I come before you today to tell you what I have done with my office of Public Works Aedile. Though NO money of any kind is allocated to my office, I had come to the decision that for far too long, Rome's streets have been unclean, her buildings in need of repair and her gardens unkempt. This is not becoming of the greatest city in the world!
Thus, I have begun on a massive cleaning and reconstruction project, costing me nothing less than 400D. You can already see the outcome! Few roads have those potholes cursed by the wagon drivers. Trees that flower in spring now line the via Sacra! Our statues are clean from soot and grime. Illegal aquaduct tapping has been almost totally eliminated through investigations by my office, resulting in much cheeper access for the new year! All this and much more have been completed, or are nearly finished.
I am sure you all will be happy! I know that I am very satisfied with the outcome of my projects. I only hope that others follow my example and perform their duties with the same vigor that I have. If all goes well, I will not be able to enjoy via Sacra this spring, for I will be running for the Sicilian Praetorship! Here as in Rome I will perform my best for the best interests of Rome.
Message: A Call for Justice!
Author: Arena Aedile - Victorious Marius
Date: Jun 16, 1998 04:35
Citizens of Rome!
As you have all no doubt heard, a Macedonian diplomatic delegation has arrived in Rome seeking a peaceful resolution to the current conflict between our two nations.
Chief among the charges brought to Rome by the diplomats are that the Senate (1) has failed in its duty to seek an alternative to military action in settling Rome's differences with Macedonia, and (2) has failed to confirm the charges presented by the Greeks in their appeal for military assistance from Rome. I submit that both "charges" are an insult to the People, an unwarranted infringement on the right of the Republic's citizens to govern themselves as well or as poorly as they wish. When the People demand war, let their will be done at any pace and in any way they wish. It's our right as Romans!
Far more serious, however, is the Macedonian charge that the People of Rome have been deliberately mislead -- duped into entering an unjust war by a sinister conspiracy between certain foreign states and ambitious Roman politicians. I am sure that you share my outrage at this calumny. That honorable men who spend their lives serving the Republic should have to endure such slander is an insult to every citizen.
I submit, my fellow patriots, that we owe our public servants more than just our righteous indignation. Honor demands that we demonstrate our support by action. To that end, I call upon our scrupulous censors to conduct a complete, thorough, and public investigation into the charge that the People have been manipulated into an unjust, unnecessary war. Nothing less will erase any doubts the Macedonian diplomats may have planted in the hearts of our citizens.
In support of that investigation and to demonstrate to the world that we and all who serve the state are honorable men, I formally propose that this Assembly declare a truce with Macedonia until the censors have had a chance to clear our leaders of these serious allegations. Once vindicated by the censors' investigation and the clouds of suspicion have been dispelled, our respected leaders can carry the sword of justice into Macedonia knowing that they have the full faith and confidence of each and every citizen in the Republic!
Message: A Reminder from the Censors re: Dec 200 BC Elections
Author: As Umpire - Victorious Marius
Date: Jun 16, 1998 05:18
Censor NPCs Gaius Claudius Nero and Marcus Livius Salinator deliver a joint message to the Assembly:
The terms for all civil offices and the religious offices of auger and pontifex maximus end this month. Candidates for civil office for the upcoming year (201 BC) are reminded to announce their candidacy and statements of support at the Assembly. Candidates for the office of pontifex maximus are reminded to announce their candidacy and statements of support at the Temple. Vox populii, vox dei!
Message: Announcing Candidacy for Gladiatorial Aedile
Author: Arena Aedile - Victorious Marius
Date: Jun 16, 1998 05:30
Citizens!
It has been my privilege and pleasure to serve as your arena aedile this past year. It has been a lot of work, but knowing that I have contributed to the improvement of the quality of life in our virtual Rome with games that have given you the opportunity to be entertained while adding a few denarii to your treasuries has made the effort worthwhile.
I humbly ask all those who have enjoyed the chariot races during my tenure as arena aedile to please post before the Assembly your support for my candidacy for the office of gladiatorial aedile during 201 BC. I present my record as arena aedile as a guarantee of my ability to bring you the level of quality, profitability, and integrity our citizens deserve in their combat games.
Thank you.
Message: Let the Macedonians Provide the Proof!
Author: On behalf of.. - Caius Livius
Date: Jun 16, 1998 07:15
Citizens and Tribunes,
Whilst finding myself in agreement with Victorious Marius that the allegations meted out by the Macedonians require a full investigation, I urge you all not to fall into the trap of allowing this delaying tactic to succeed.
Philip is anxious precisely becasue we have acted sooner than he anticipated. He is not ready to face us and so he seeks to delay so that he may prepare. Such a delay only plays into his hands.
Let us have our investigation, and if needs be trial, but this should not prevent us from pursuing a war with Macedon that was not started solely due to the appeal from the Aegean League but due to Philip's history of hostility to Rome.
We are the power in the mediterranean and we cannot allow Philip to expand his empire, to do so would only erode our influence in the region we have had our problems with one powerful enemy which cost the lives of many sons of Rome, let us not allow another Hannibal to arise.
I appeal to you all, this is started, let it run its course, if Macedonia wants peace then let it be on our terms not Philip's!
Long live the Republic!
Message: About macedonians...
Author: - Gustavus Caelius
Date: Jun 16, 1998 22:29
Nobilissima et fidelissima Roma...
I follow the advise of Livius Drusus...it's surely a trap...don't fall into it...
Phillip is trying to enforce his army while we are distracted with investigations...let's crush his troops and conquer that nation.
Our legions are prepared and in good condition to attack any adversary, and if Phillip is not in position to stand in combat, it will be more easy to win this war.
Message: Justice must be served!
Author: Senator - Favonius Cornelius
Date: Jun 16, 1998 22:38
Once again the esteemed senator Victorious Marius has beaten me to the legislative punch! I agree with his proposal. As I have stated in the senate, I am alarmed at the possibility of it's members involved in what would be nothing less than treasonous activity.
Caius Livius, however, as stated a valid point. To carry out these investigations would give the Macedonians time to prepare for war.
With these things in mind, I propose we advance our legions to a protected area where we can wait for the outcome of these peace talks and senatorial investigations, and yet also where we can decisively strike out against the Macedonians should they make any obviously offensive actions.
Message: Victorious Marius for Gladiatorial Aedile!!
Author: Public Works Aedile - Favonius Cornelius
Date: Jun 16, 1998 22:57
People of Rome, we all know what great shows the honorable Victorious Marius has put on for us as arena aedile! I cannot count a single time that I wasen't balancing at the edge of my bench, wondering at the spectacle before me, where brilliantly choosen teams raced to the finish line in a flurry of fierce competition.
People of Rome, to not vote for Victorious Marius would be DOOMING yourself to a tedious year of slave versus slave humdrum. Vote for Victorious Marius, citizens, and prepare to be entertained like you have never been before!
Message: Announcing Candidacy for Sicilian Praetor
Author: Aedile - Favonius Cornelius
Date: Jun 16, 1998 23:45
People of Rome! I have come to the point in my career as a public servant where it is time to take up a post of true responcibility, the praetorship of Sicilia.
When I had just begun to serve the republic, I served as tribune my ten campaigns, among them notibly during the wars with hated Carthage. Completing these, I continued my asent up the crusus honorum by then serving as quaestor for Sicilia. Having performed my duties there, I then had my name listed among the the most honorable of this republic, I had become a senator.
Since then you have all come to know my name well. Always do I strive to dictate the senate's legislation in a way that is most benificial to her, and to all her subject people. As auger I piusly and regularly strove to understand and appease the gods. When this year's aedile suffered a terrible accident, I promptly filled his position to show Rome how a true public servant should act.
Now I seek the praetorship of Sicilia! On this island are many peoples: Carthaginians, Greeks, Romans. This unique mix of people asks for an efficient governer to keep the peace and promote its growth. Only a effective governer, as I KNOW I will be, can balance the challanges Sicilia offers.
People of Rome! Please honor me with your votes, and I promise, you will not be dissapointed!
Message: Announcing my Candidacy for Gladiatorial Aedile
Author: Gladiatorial Aedile - Drakus Domitius
Date: Jun 17, 1998 02:51
My fellow Romans, I stand before you in humility and gratitude for the opportunity I have had to serve as Gladiatorial Aedile this past year.
As you well know, before I took office, there were NO games being offered here in Rome! Such a great oversight has now been corrected by my service. I have put great effort and time into the few short months that I have served and I now ask for your support to elect me again to the position which I have honorably held.
We must continue to have exciting and regular gladiatorial events. My experience as Gladiatorial Aedile makes me the perfect candidate for the position again this year. Please vote for Drakus Domitius for Gladiatorial Aedile.
Message: Vote for Victorious Marius
Author: Priest - Minutus Manlius
Date: Jun 17, 1998 08:31
Quirites!
Unnecessary to say further reasons for this talented man. He proved his abilities this year. I completely support his intentions to become Gladiatorial Aedile, and ask you to do so, too.
Message: Vote for Favonius Cornelius
Author: Priest - Minutus Manlius
Date: Jun 17, 1998 08:47
Quirites!
This man has told you a little about his merits. His reasons and intentions are clear and honourable. If you do not give him the chance, what he needs, you unquestionably weaken our Republic. There should be other candidates, which speak nice and honeyed. I am counting on your traditional common sense and I hope, you will be able to make difference between true and false. I place my vote on Favonius Cornelius with undisturbed heart. Do so too, Quirites!
Message: Announcing Candidacy for Military Questor
Author: Priest - Minutus Manlius
Date: Jun 17, 1998 09:32
Quirites!
I am standing here unknown to you. I am young, but fullfilled with the vigour to make myself useful for our fatherland. As a free roman patrician knight, I can not avoid the work to hold civil office for the greater glory of Rome. My abilities and talent made clear before me, that recently the only task is the Military Qestorship can be for me. Consequently, before the the Senate and People of Rome, I announce my candidacy for Military Qestorship.
There are many questions in my heart. Doubts and uncertainties. But the holy fire of all roman citizens is burning inside of me. Please, streighten me in my decision, if you trust me, but let me know, if you regard as unsuitable for it! Your decision is sacred and unviolable! Now, I submit myself to it!
Message: In Support of Minutus Manlius
Author: First Man in Rome - Caius Livius
Date: Jun 17, 1998 10:10
Citizens,
I urge you to support the election of this fine young man to the position of Quaestor of the Republic.
Rome needs men like Minutus Manlius.
Message: Minutus Manlius,i got the Quaestor job by appointment!Please read!
Author: Quaestor of Tarraconensis Luciens Aemilius via representative in Rome - Hephestes Cleomenes
Date: Jun 17, 1998 20:18
I got my Quaestor job via appointment.Ask the Consuls or the appropriate Praetor in the region you want the job in.Look at the Military Report in the Game Reports for Legions you can become attached to and just ask whoever the Consul or Praetor concerned to assign you Military Quaestor for Legion whatever in region of your interest.Since NPC's hold most offices now ask the umpire who plays them.Elections may hold you back until Jan 199BC,i don't know.
Message: Appoint Minutus Manlius Military Quaestor!
Author: Aedile & Auger - Favonius Cornelius
Date: Jun 17, 1998 22:24
I have come before you today to voice my support for Minutus Manlius. Rarely do we see such a promising young Roman so able and so ready for a post as public servant, be it civil or military.
As the war with Macedonia is looming near, we will need able men such as Minutus to fight for the glory and freedom of Rome!
Message: Calling attention...
Author: A message from Gn. Atius Pertinax, care of - Diocletian Valerius
Date: Jun 17, 1998 22:58
... to the insidious Lex Manlia now before the Senate. If passed, this law will destroy the rights of the Equestrian Order to participate in military affairs. All ship owners will be forbidden from taking naval officer positions, while all owners of military factories will have to renounce their businesses before taking officer positions in land operations. The worst part is that this legislation ought to be the domain of the People! I call upon this Assembly to pass a countermeasure, negating this dangerous proposal.
I also urge the current Tribunes to consider using their veto power against this bill!
Message: Announcing my candidacy...
Author: A message from Gn. Atius Pertinax, care of - Diocletian Valerius
Date: Jun 17, 1998 23:09
... to the Tribunate of The Plebs. Esteemed People of Rome, I have served you faithfully in both the Senate and the Assembly, and Sicilia is safe under my paternal hand. You and I both mourn the loss of the charioteer Chrysogonus Celer, whom I thought of as one of my own children, and whom you cheered with such ardour in the Circus. I vow, O noble Plebs, to support you with might and main in the coming year. I will stand aside from the political rivalries of the aristocracy, for I am an honest man of humble stock, much like you. I understand the concerns of the knight, of the small farmer, of the factory owner. Furthermore, I will seek to strengthen this Assembly, making it a more active, vital place. I will propose much legislation in the coming year, among this being a program of sumptuary legislation, to prevent decadence from eating out the heart of our Republic.
Long live Rome!
Message: For war and profit
Author: Decimus Junius Pompeius, care of - Pompey Domitius
Date: Jun 17, 1998 23:12
I agree wholeheartedly with my colleague, Gn. Atius Pertinax in his disapproval of the current bill before the Senate, the Lex Manlia Electionis. This proposal will only hurt the Equestrian class here in Rome and thus the effectiveness of our military.
As for postponing the war against Macedon, I urge you to vote NO! Philip wishes to dupe the Roman people into believing false charges against their leaders so as to delay the punishment he so richely deserves for aiding the despicable Hannibal. Philip is undoubtedly laughing as we squabble among ourselves. The war against him must not falter, it must not be delayed.
My countrymen, do not succumb to the lies of this king. We know him for what he is, a liar and an opportunist. Give him no more opportunities to harm Rome. Let us dispose of him now!
Message: In support of Victorious Marius' bid
Author: A message from GNAP, care of - Diocletian Valerius
Date: Jun 17, 1998 23:12
for Gladiatorial Aedile. He has acquitted himself superlatively over the last year, and will do so again in the following.
Message: Against a truce, but for a parley ...
Author: A message from Gn. Atius Pertinax, care of - Diocletian Valerius
Date: Jun 17, 1998 23:27
People of Rome, I have considered the matter long and hard, and I am afraid that I must agree - a truce at this point will only give our enemies time to gather recruits and supplies for war. So then, Galba must march agaisnt Philip now. That being said, I do believe that, since Philip has thrown down an olive branch (albeit one with thorns), in justice we must reply in kind. We must offer them terms. They will probably reject, but we must at least pursue the opportunity. Therefore, let us offer Philip peace on these terms - that he disarm most of his standing army, paring it down to four thousand men, and that he cease and desist from any actions agaisnt our allies and ourselves. These terms are to be strcitly enforced by ourselves. I move then, that we grant Galba and his subuordinates leave to discuss these terms with Philip.
Message: I urge the Tribunes of the plebes to veto Lex Manlia Electionis
Author: Quaestor of Tarraconensis Luciens Aemilius via representative in Rome - Hephestes Cleomenes
Date: Jun 18, 1998 03:56
The proposed legislation is nonsense!Military Officers should be only chosen by ability to command.Ownership in ships and military factories should mean the officer must abstain from voting on the proposal where such ownership would pose a conflict,but not banning him from military office.
In closing,i urge The Tribunes of The Plebes to veto the Senate legislation.
Luciens Aemilius
Equestrian
Quaestor of Tarraconensis
Message: Against the Lex Manlia
Author: Senator - Caius Livius
Date: Jun 18, 1998 04:02
Citizens,
Despite Minutus Manlius having raised his lex in the wrong legislative body, I now address this to the correct assembly and concur with the opinions of many other right thinking men who have opposed this restrictive and retrospective Lex.
Like it or hate it, vested interests are part of out glorious Republic and to limit citizens in this way will only have the effect of reducing the number of weapons factories in Italia.
This lex is well intentioned but ill conceived and must be defeated.
Message: Drakus Domitius for Gladiatorial Aedile.
Author: Drusus - Caius Livius
Date: Jun 18, 1998 04:10
Citizens,
I find myself torn between two outstanding candidates in this years elections. Victorious Marius has acquitted himself superbly in the position of Arena Aedile to which I proposed him last year and I would normally not hesitate to give my backing to him in any similar Aedileship.
However, we also have before us the candidacy of the current Gladiatorial Aedile, Drakus Domitius, a man who has been in the position for just three short months and yet has aquitted himself admirably and honestly.
I say to you that if we have as a candidate the current incumbent, who has the organisation of these games well in hand, then let us support him in his desire to finish a job that he has just started.
Vote for Drakus Domitius as Gladiatorial Aedile.
Message: In Support of Gnaeus Atius Pertinax
Author: Senator - Caius Livius
Date: Jun 18, 1998 04:24
Tribunes! People of Rome!
I urge you all to support our outgoing Praetor of Sicilia in his desire to serve the Republic as Tribune of the Plebs.
I cannot think of a man better qualified in resolve and temperament to this august role.
Gnaeus Atius Pertinax for Tribune!
Message: I support Minutus Manlius
Author: Gladiatorial Aedile - Drakus Domitius
Date: Jun 18, 1998 05:19
I cast my vote for Minutus Manlius for Quastor. I believe him to be an intelligent and hardworking individual, dedicated to the Republic.
Message: Supporting Gnaeus Atius Pertinax
Author: Patrician - Minutus Manlius
Date: Jun 19, 1998 06:02
Yes, Quirites. He is the suitable man for this office. Vote for him!
Message: Opposing the Lex Manlia Electionis
Author: - Drakus Domitius
Date: Jun 19, 1998 21:07
I feel I must stand before the Assembly and voice my objection to this proposal. Although the intentions may be good, the result would only be harmful to our Republic in a number of ways already enumerated by my colleagues here and in the Senate.
It is as an owner of a military factory and a current military officer that I stand before you today. Many of you remember that when I applied before the Senate to be allowed to own a military factory, I offered my goods to the State at half price during war time. Far from profiting from war, I lose money when our beloved Republic goes to war. I am willing to do that for the sake of our country. I, therefore, am dishonored by the statement that I would profit from supporting and even endorsing war. It is obvious that I do not profit from war. I lose.
Despite the loss that I incur financially from the prospect of war, I believe the sacrifice to be worth it. The dignitas of the State and the welfare of Rome rests upon the willingness of its leaders to sacrifice their own good for that of the country.
I therefore oppose this proposed Lex because it would harm the State's treasury by causing it to rely on those less willing to sacrifice for the common good of Rome. I urge the people of Rome to do as Gn. Atius Pertinax proposed and pass a countermeasure which would oppose this Lex. Though its intentions are meritorious, its effects would be deletorious.
Message: Nominating Victorious Marius
Author: Gladiatorial Aedile - Drakus Domitius
Date: Jun 21, 1998 10:22
I nominate Victorious Marius for Public Works Aedile. I know that he will accomplish great deeds in the beautification of our beautiful Rome. His talents will be better used in this area than in running Gladiatorial games. I urge all to support V. Marius and vote for him as Public Works Aedile.
Message: I support...
Author: - Gustavus Caelius
Date: Jun 22, 1998 21:55
... Victorius Marius as Gladiatorial Aedile.
And, i also propose my candidacy for Public Works Aedile; think about it great city of Rome!!. You have nothing to lose, but all to win; this is the center of the world, and as it, needs to be the most beautiful city, and must be the head of the culture...
Now is very beautiful, but need to be more and more and more!!!
Bona fortuna.
Message: My votes for the elections
Author: Quaestor of Tarraconensis Luciens Aemilius in Rome for the elections - Hephestes Cleomenes
Date: Jun 23, 1998 01:33
I vote for the following worthy men to fill our great republics offices:
* Gladiatorial Aedile-Drakus Domitius
* Praetor of Sicily-Favonius Cornelius
* Tribune of the Plebes-Gnaeus Atius Pertinax
* Others-Asume i voted for an NPC since no one else declared their candidacy for other offices or i found them unworthy.
Message: Withdrawal of Candidacy & Entry of Candidacy
Author: Arena Aedile - Victorious Marius
Date: Jun 23, 1998 02:29
Fellow citizens!
As you may have noticed, Drakus Domitius -- my opponent in the current race for Gladiatorial Aedile -- has recently nominated me for Public Works Aedile. This post is an explanation to our friends and supporters, as well as to those "undecided" voters who are simply wondering what's going on...
One of the luxuries with which Imperium is blessed is the large number of talented men who seek to serve the Republic.
Unfortunately, Drakus Domitius and I both chose to seek to serve as Gladiatorial Aedile during 199 BC. I thought the situation a bad one for the Republic and for Imperium. No matter what the outcome of the election, the Republic would miss having either D.Domitius or myself -- two of the most active players in the game -- administering a civil office that needs administering.
I have therefore proposed to D.Domitius -- and he has agreed, as his nomination post shows -- that I will withdraw my candidacy from the race for Gladiatorial Aedile if he will support me for the post of Public Works Aedile. (I think this office will become more important, given the new rules on mob violence. I also think it might be easier for all players if I set an example what a PW aedile should do to prevent Rome from floundering under riots before anyone else is subjected to the new rules.)
In addition, D.Domitius has agreed to urge his supporters to cast their votes for me for Public Works Aedile if I urge those who have voted for me as Gladiatorial Aedile to support D.Domitiu's re-election as Gladiatorial Aedile. I have agreed, and I ask all who have so graciously supported me in the past to, to annuonce your support for Domitius' election. In doing so, I truly believe you serve the best interests of the Republic.
I hope all citizens understand and agree with the reasons I have changed directions in the campaign. I also hope that I can count on your posting a statement of public support for my candidacy as Public Works Aedile as soon as possible. Thank you.
Long live the Republic!
Victorious Marius
Message: In support of Favonius Cornelius Pola
Author: Arena Aedile - Victorious Marius
Date: Jun 23, 1998 02:34
Citizens!
I am pleased to announce my vote and enthusiastic endorsement of Favonius Cornelias Pola for the post of Praetor of Sicilia. The honorable senator has demonstrated two elements of character that have convinced me he is worthy of support by all his countrymen:
First, he has been an active and thoughtful participant in discussions of public policy. His speeches have inevitably broadened the view of issues that have come before us and encouraged debate. I am sure all will agree this is a vital component in maintaining the good health of our democratic system of governance.
Second, Favonius Cornelius has demonstrated an unparalleled willingness to contribute to the public welfare at his own expense. I know of no other civil officer who has been so generous with funds from his personal treasury for the public good as Favonius Cornelias has during his brief tenure as public works aedile. (We can only hope others in public office will follow his lead!)
For these reasons, I have no doubt the prateorship will be in good hands if he is elected. I strongly urge all citizens to join me in supporting his candidacy: Favonius Cornelias Pola for Praetor of Sicilia in 199!
Message: In support of Gnaeus Atius Pertinax!
Author: Arena Aedile - Victorious Marius
Date: Jun 23, 1998 02:37
Citizens!
I am pleased to declare my support for Gnaeus Atius Pertinax as Tribune of the Plebes for 199 BC.
Gnaeus Atius has proven an able guardian of the Republic's interests, even during difficult times, while praetor of Sicilia. I testify before you that he has been an honorable man in all our past dealings, and sincerely believe is a man not only worthy of the job, but one who is worthy of your support.
I for one will sleep more easily when Gnaeus Atius Pertinax is watching over the Republic's interests as a Tribune of the Plebes. Please join me in supporting him: Gnaeus Atius Pertinax for Tribune of the Plebes in 199!
Message: Proposals Up for Vote, Dec 200 BC
Author: As Umpire - Victorious Marius
Date: Jun 23, 1998 02:47
IMPORTANT: Players should note that two of the proposals -- the Lex Manlia Electionis and the Lex Cornelia Macedonis were proposed in the wrong body. Under the rules, neither proposal is valid and therefore cannot be voted on. HOWEVER, since the rules for making proper proposals are fairly new to most players, an exception will be made this Turn and this Turn ONLY the two proposals in question -- along with all relevant debate and statements of support/opposition posted prior to this post -- will be considered to have been made in the appropriate house. Senate and Assembly influence will be calculated accordingly.
WARNING: Starting immediately, proposals to the Assembly or Senate must abide by the written rules of June 20, 1998, to be valid.
DEC 200 BC SENATE PROPOSALS:
Lex Drusa Interamna - To establish a Roman colony at Interamna, Italia-Aqueii
Lex Cornelia Macdeonis - To advance Roman troops to a protected area where they can wait for the outcome of peace talks and investigations, and yet also strike the Macedonians if they attempt offensive action.
DEC 200 BC ASSEMBLY PROPOSALS:
Lex Maria Mecedonis - Assembly to declare a truce with Macedonia until the censors have had a chance to clear Rome's leaders from allegations of deliberately misleading the people into declaring war.
Lex Manlia Eletionis - (1) Owners of military factories are to be forbidden to hold military office. Citizens appointed to military office to be compelled to sell their factories and forbidden to purchase new ones for five years. (2) Owners of ships are to be forbidden to hold military office. Citizens appointed to military office may not conduct trade or buy ships until one year after their term of military office.
Message: Against the Lex Maria Macedonis
Author: Senator - Caius Livius
Date: Jun 23, 1998 07:17
Cives,
As I have already stated I am against delaying the war with Philip and therefore oppose the Lex Maria Macedonis
I urge you to vote against this dangerous bill.
Message: Supporting Victorious Marius as Public Works Aedile
Author: Senator - Caius Livius
Date: Jun 23, 1998 07:39
Citizens,
I commend the honourable Equestrian Victorious Marius for his magnanimous gesture in standing aside to allow Drakus Domitius a free run at his cherished role as Gladiatorial Aedile. Such a high regard for the welfare of the state above personal ambition should not go unrewarded.
I urge you all to unanimously elect Victorious Marius to Public Works Aedile and Drakus Domitius to Gladiatorial Aedile.
Those seeking an Aedileship should note the vacancy for the role of Arena Aedile, a challenging, fulfilling and rewarding Aedilship.
Message: In Support of Victorious Marius for Public Works Aedile
Author: Lucius Terentius Varro (equestrian of Patrician family) - Germanicus Terentius
Date: Jun 23, 1998 10:28
Fellow Citizens,
I come before you today to express my support for Victorious Marius for the position of Public Works Aedile. Marius is a man of integrity and honor who will devote all of his effort and considerable talent to maintaining and improving our beautiful city.
The position of Public Works Aedile is one of vital importance. The proper administration of Rome's infrastructure impacts on the quality of life of all of its citizens, from the richest senator to the lowliest slave. Gaius!, how would you like it if the water supply to your stables were to stop working 2 or 3 days a week? Or you Sempronius, what if the street in front of your wine shop was so badly pitted that customers avoided your business all together?
Public Works Aedile is the one adminsitrative position that requires, nay demands, competent and industrious leadership. Victorious Marius has shown his ability in providing games of unparalleled excitement for us over the last year. Everyone knows of his record of honesty and integrity in his service to Rome. I put it to you that there is no better candidate for this vitally important job!
I pledge the support of myself, my clients, and my noble Patrican house for Victorious Marius. I know that all clear-thinking and honorable Romans will do the same.
Varro
Message: In Support of Drakus Domitius for Gladiatorial Aedile
Author: Lucius Terentius Varro (equestrian) - Germanicus Terentius
Date: Jun 23, 1998 10:32
Fellow Citizens,
I support Drakus Domitius for the position of Gladitorial Aedile. Let the games begin under Drakus' noble auspices.
Varro
Message: Against Lex Manlia Eletionis and Against Lex Maria Macedonis
Author: Lucius Terentius Varro (equestrian) - Germanicus Terentius
Date: Jun 23, 1998 10:55
Fellow Citizens,
I come before you today to express my opposition to two proposed laws. One of these laws I have sympathy with, but view as misguided. The other is at best foolish, and arguably treasonous.
The first is the Lex Manlia Eletionis. It is a noble attempt to eliminate the possibilty of corruption when business interests intertwine with affairs of state. In principle I support this lex, however, given the insurmountable problems with its implementation, I must vote against it! For whom amongst us don't have freedmen who we could have "own" and "operate" our military factories for us if the lex were to pass?
I should note however, that if it ever comes to my attention that factory owners are making military decisions that are not in the best interests of the state, I will be the first to prosecute, and I urge you to bring any information that such practices are occuring to my immediate attention.
As for the Lex Maria Macedonis, I express my most ardent opposition! A delay of any sort in the war with Macedon only plays into Philip's hands. We need to move quickly and with overwhelming force to stamp out this menace to our security. Investigate the motives of the proponents of this war all that you want. But do not delay the inevitable confrontation with Philip, for it will only cost Roman lives! Tiberius!, your son is serving in the 5th Legion. Do you want his life placed in danger by allowing Philip to prepare for war while Roman senators bicker over petty party politics?
I say that any delay in bringing this war to its locical and necessary conclusion (the defeat of Philip and the annexation of Macedon), is a dangerous and insulting slap in the face of the Roman people! Do not let your sons' fate be placed in jeopardy by foreigners and greedy senatorial sycophants!
Message: I oppose Lex Cornelia Macedonis
Author: Quaestor of Tarraconensis Luciens Aemilius prior to returning to Numantia,Tarraconensis after voting - Hephestes Cleomenes
Date: Jun 23, 1998 15:57
Let us put Phillip out of his misery now once and for all and free the Aegean region from his tyrranical hegemeny!No more delay!Let the war against Macedonia commence!
Luciens Aemilius
Quaestor of Tarraconensis
Equestrian
Message: Why fear the lex Cornelia Macedonis?
Author: Senator - Favonius Cornelius
Date: Jun 23, 1998 18:59
People of Rome! What do we have to fear of this compramise? With it we will be in a position to make demands of Macedonia OR strike Macedonia, a position CHOOSEN BY THE COMMANDERS. We will also be in a position to listen to Macedonia's claims of corruption. Are we an empire that rolls over all other powers simply because?!
Let me remind the people of this fair republic, that we have just gotten over a savage war with Cartharage that decemated ALMOST A TENTH OF OUR POPULATION! The ignoble Hannibal made sure of that. Yet, it seems we are still ready and willing to see Rome's dead pile up again.
People of Rome! Do not bow to the will of a few warmongers simply so they can advance their careers. Do not regect the eveidence of the Macedonian's simply because they are not us.
Senators of Rome, please support this compramise. Those that care for the health of our republic and HAVE NOTHING TO FEAR will see the reason in lex Cornelia Macedonis.
Message: Against the Lex Manila
Author: Senator - Krystus Domitius, Patron
Date: Jun 23, 1998 19:15
Citizens....
The true fault of this legislation is not fighting corruption or opposing the equestrian class...
Infact this legislation is flawed in that it attacks the very heart of Roman society and strength.
Fellow Romans, the military has been and remains to be the most important cog in the machine of our Imperium. It is what feeds us and what drives us and what keeps us at the point of civilization of which we are. All must be allowed to enter into the military and share in her honor and rewards...
We cannot hold a man from defending Rome just because he is a high member of our society....
This legislation is flawed and goes against our very Roman core.
Message: All this changes...
Author: confused and a little upset - Gustavus Caelius
Date: Jun 23, 1998 20:40
...at my eyes, seems turbid...
But if our Republic will be the beneficiary, i accept this new candidacies. I withdraw my candidacy for Public Works Aedile, and my support to Victorius Marius as Gladiatorial Aedile.
So, i support Drakus Domitius for Gladiatorial Aedile, Victorius Marius as Public Works Aedile, and in concern of the legis, i stand with all my decisions: i support Lex Drusa Interamna, and i oppose Lex Cornelia Macedonis, Lex Maria Macedonis, and Lex Manlia Electionis.
All of that Legis will give our Alma Mater an important disvantage in front of Macedonia, even the latter.
Message: Supporting Victorious Marius, for Public Works!
Author: Senator - Favonius Cornelius
Date: Jun 23, 1998 22:44
Though I regret to see that the honored Victorious Marius leave the race for Gladitorial Aedile, I must say that election as public works aedile is just as importent.
His games would have been fantastic, but now as an alternative your roads will be smooth and your grain supply in plenty! That isn't a bad trade at all! Trust me people of Rome, for I have served as public works aedile and am familiar with what will be required of the aedile. Victorious Marius is your man!
Message: Drakus Domitius Gladitorial Aedile!
Author: Senator - Favonius Cornelius
Date: Jun 23, 1998 22:51
Now, people of Rome, we need to fill this vacant seat with a man who can match Victorious Marius. I believe that man would be Drakus Domitius! I have heard of what he plans, and I must say, I am impressed! Please vote for Drakus Domitius so my visits to Rome will not be a bore!
Message: In answer to the speech of former centurian, NPC Marcus Flavius
Author: Arena Aedile - Victorious Marius
Date: Jun 23, 1998 23:18
Citizens! I am sure every one of us agrees with the patriotic sentiments of the former centurian, NPC Marcus Flavius. I, personally, am pleased to learn that such an esteemed veteran, wounded so many times in the service of his country, agrees with points I have previously made on the subject. Rome requires no investigation to prove Phillip's guilt (I doubt any citizen thinks Phillip a friend of Rome!)
NPC Marcus Flavius may also be right that a delay would work to Phillip's benefit -- although there seems to be little more than can be done militarily at present than what is already being done. (Not to mention that a truce may work to the beneift of Rome as well as Macedonia, for a variety of reasons.)
However, the logic of NPC Marcus Flavius begins to drift (perhaps due to his self-professed ignorance in the "machinations of state" or as a consequence of one of the many headwounds he has received) when he seeks to smear the character of anyone who proposes calm deliberation, subtlety, and alternatives to unnecesary bloodshed as means to victory. Surely, this was not a lesson NPC Marcus Flavius learned from Scipio!
The urge to rush headlong into battle at any cost reminds me of a certain one-eyed Carthaginain -- who, upon running blindly off the cliffs of war, realized too late as he fell through the air that it might have been wiser to peer over the edge to see exactly what he was getting into BEFORE he actually jumped.
To say that citizens who suggest we should look over the edge of the cliff before jumping are the enemies of the Republic is as ridiculous as saying that everyone who urges us to leap blindly into battle is a friend of the Republic!
In the spirit of mutual respect and unity, I call upon all citizens to stick to the merits of their arguments when speaking in the Assembly or Senate rather than stooping to impuning the motives or character of those who disagree with their positions.
Message: Votes
Author: - Drakus Domitius
Date: Jun 24, 1998 01:39
Against the Lex Maria Macedonis
Against the Lex Manlia Electionis
Message: Support for V. Marius
Author: - Drakus Domitius
Date: Jun 24, 1998 01:44
I support Victorious Marius for Public Works Aedile. His tenure in this position will be very beneficial to Rome and, I believe, very important as well.
I was most pleased that our esteemed V. Marius was willing to forego the Gladiatorial Aedileship for one that will greatly improve Rome's internal security. I urge all of my supporters to vote for Victorious Marius for Public Works Aedile. I hereby give my support to him.
Message: Announcing my Candidacy for Praetor
Author: Senator and Legate - Caius Livius
Date: Jun 24, 1998 05:15
Citizens!
I wish to announce my candidacy for the regional Praetorship of Baetica in this month's elections. I am sure that you all know me by now to be a man of strong character and credentials and I promise that I will carry out my duties to the best of my abilities and for the greater glory of Rome.
I would ask however, that if elected I be allowed to conclude my duties with Legio V in Macedonia and therefore be allowed to delay taking up my position for two months if this is possible. If this is not the will of the people then I will reluctantly stand down from the war in Macedon and pass the standard to another man.
Long Live the Republic!
Message: Votes...
Author: From Gn. Atius Pertinax, care of - Diocletian Valerius
Date: Jun 24, 1998 10:11
I wish to announce my support for Gaius Livius Drusus as Praetor for Baetica, Favonius Cornelius Polla for Sicilian Praetor, Drakus Domitius as Gladiatorial Aedile, Victorious Marius as Public Works Aedile and Minutus Manlius as Quaestor.
Message: I quite forgot!
Author: Senator - Caius Livius
Date: Jun 24, 1998 10:30
Citizens,
In my haste I have forgotten to place my vote for Favonius Cornelius Polla as Praetor of Sicilia.
As many of you will know Favonius Cornelius and I have not always seen eye to eye in the past, nevertheless, I know him to be an able man with good intentions at heart and I therefore support him in his desire to be elected Praetor of Sicilia.
Message: Support for V. Marius
Author: Senator - Krystus Domitius, Patron
Date: Jun 24, 1998 12:57
I think I need not address this man's cualifications or strong points....
I think his tireless service speaks for itself.
Message: Votes...
Author: Senator - Krystus Domitius, Patron
Date: Jun 24, 1998 13:22
I Vote for V. Marius.
And I also vote for Caius Livius for Praetor....
A man who serves Rome well and shall continue to serve her in this copacity.
I urge all to vote for Caius....a man of word and a man of honor.
Message: Vote for Praetorships
Author: Lucius Terentius Varro - Germanicus Terentius
Date: Jun 24, 1998 13:50
Fellow citizens!
I come before you today to express my support for Caius Livius Drusus and Favonius Cornelius Pola for the Praetorships of Baetica and Sicily respectively.
Favonius Cornelius Pola is a man of extraordinary ability and reputation. He needs no further flowery words to commend him.
Caius Livius Drusus is no less a man of honor. I know that much has been made of my recent appointment as prosecutor at the trial of Caius Livius Drusus and others. However, I would point out that I have taken this appointment as prosecutor out of a sense of civic responsibility and as a sign of respect for our revered Censors. The purpose of the trial is to arrive at the truth, and until such time, all defendants should be accorded the presumption of innocence. Caius Livius Drusus has shown himself to be an able administrator, and I urge you to not let his impending trial for treason influence you against him in this election. There is every possibility that he and his co-defendants are innocent of the charges brought against them. If Caius is proven guilty, we can strip him of his office ex post. If he is found innocent, he will be in a position to take up the Praetorship of Baetica, and Rome will have the comfort of knowing that one of her most important provinces is in the hands of a man completely cleared of any whisper of guilt!
Message: Point of Order
Author: As Umpire - Victorious Marius
Date: Jun 24, 1998 14:24
TO ALL PLAYERS:
Please be aware, per rule 4.3.3, that Praetors who are provincial governors may NOT hold any military commands during their terms EXCEPT that they are considered the Army Commander of all forces assigned to their provinces.
This means that, if elected, C.L.Drusus would be ineligible to retain his current military office as legate.
Message: In Support of Caius Livius Drusus
Author: Arena Aedile - Victorious Marius
Date: Jun 24, 1998 14:30
Citizens!
I enthusiastically endorse and support the honorable Caius Livius Drusus for the post of Praetor of Baetica. In addition to his political and military experience, the First Man in Rome has demonstrated leadership in many important areas of life in the Republic. His leadership as provincial governor would, I am sure, do a lot to establish and secure our influence in the Western regions of the Republic. Caius Livius Drusus for Praetor of Baetica in 199!
Message: vote for Caius Livius Drusus
Author: Laticlavian Tribune - Drakus Domitius
Date: Jun 24, 1998 15:27
I cast my vote for C. L. Drusus for the Praetorship of Baetica and urge all Romans to do likewise.
Message: Nomination of Gustavus Caelius for Private Works Aedile
Author: Arena Aedile - Victorious Marius
Date: Jun 24, 1998 18:24
Gentlemen!
I am pleased to nominate PC Gustavus Caelius for the office of Private Works Aedle. Although Gustavus Caelius is a relative new-comer to the political arena, I have found in my dealings with him to be a man of his word and of sincere concern that the Republic is run smoothly. Please join me in encouraging Gustavus Caelius to explore ways in which this office can be expanding to enrich the Imperiuim experience for us all once he is elected. Gustavus Caelius for Private Works Aedile in 199!
Message: I support...
Author: - Gustavus Caelius
Date: Jun 24, 1998 21:43
- Favonius Cornelius as Sicilian Praetor,
- Atius Pertinax as Tribunate of the Plebs,
- Caius Livius Drusus as Praetor of Baetica;
and if is not any mistake, then i also support:
- Minutus Manlius as Military Quaestor.
Message: Happily, I give my support to
Author: Senator - Favonius Cornelius
Date: Jun 24, 1998 23:59
Caius Livius for Baetican Praetor. We have all known him for his hard work and diligence, now let us see to it that he is given a post that will be fitting for a man of his capability!
Gn. Atius Pertinax for the Tribunate of the Plebs! Atius, shrewd man when it comes to Rome's law making, will undoubtably be the best man to protect the plebian interests of this fair city.
Gustavus Caelius, Private works Aedile! You can be sure, senators, that all of your private building accomplishmenst will be directed quite closely but the astute Gustavus Caelius.
Let me say it is a relief that Rome's finest have not resorted to factional fighting, which would doom the government to hopless infighting. I give these votes with all my heart.
Message: My votes
Author: Decimus Junius Pompeius, care of - Pompey Domitius
Date: Jun 25, 1998 02:54
I vote for:
Gn. ATius Pertinax for Tr. Pl.
Drakus Domitius for Gladiatorial Aedile
Caius Livius for Praetor of Baetica
Favonius Cornelius Pola for Praetor of Sicilia
Victorious Marius for Public Works Aedile
Gustavus Caelius for Private Works Aedile
And unless I am mistaken that is every position being run for.
As for the proposed laws:
I oppose the Lex Maria Macedonis and the Lex Manlia Electionis.
Message: Votes
Author: Patrician - Minutus Manlius
Date: Jun 25, 1998 03:32
Because of the changing some candidates's will my votes are the following:
- I vote for Victorious Marius as public works aedile
- I vote for Drakus Domitius as gladiatoral aedile
Message: In Support of Gustavus Caelius
Author: Senator - Caius Livius
Date: Jun 25, 1998 05:13
Citizens,
I add my vote to that of Victorious Marius for the promising young Laticlavian Tribune, Gaustavus Caelius, to be elected as Private Works Aedile.
Message: An Appeal to the Assembly
Author: Public Works Aedile - Victorious Marius
Date: Jul 12, 1998 19:30
Citizens!
The Senate is currently considering a measure I had the honor to propose on behalf of the People of Rome: the Lex Maria Panis, a grain subsidy that ensures no citizen shall ever go hungry again. I am confident, since the Senate is composed of honorable men, that this measure shall pass. I urge you to privately and publicly let your support for this measure be known to the Tribunes of the Plebes. I also urge all citizens to make a personal appeal to the gods that the Senators ensure the common good by adopting our proposal and that our fields yield bountiful harvests.
Long live the Republic!
Message: An Interior Decorator in Every Pot!
Author: Public Works Aedile - Victorious Marius
Date: Jul 12, 1998 19:32
Citizens!
As the clouds of rebellion spread across our lands, and men of privilege and power grow ever wealthier by "legally" pillaging the provinces they govern, the issue of equity has lately become a major concern among our citizens and those we rule.
There is little we can do as members of the Assembly to prevent the clouds of discontent abroad from growing into a mighty maelstrom. We can only urge our lethargic senators to take action abroad before it is too late, and we lose all we have gained at the cost of our blood and brothers-in-arms these past two decades.
However, there is the issue of equity between the classes here in Rome that also requires attention -- and not a whisper of concern has been heard in the Senate. I refer, of course, to the self-indulgent excesses of some of our citizens who flaunt their wealth by building personal palaces within the walls of our very city, erecting extravagant monuments to themselves while the masses go without decent public housing.
I fear that the People will not long suffer in silence. We have seen the consequences when the Senate has ignored the welfare of those whom we rule in the provinces. Do they think that Romans shall endure greater humiliation and deprivation without responding?
I urge all citizens who are concerned with maintaining social justice and domestic tranquility to consider the consequences of increased private spending on private works while ignoring the public welfare (see rules, section 2.5.3). Perhaps the Private Works Aedile could propose a solution? If the problem continues to be ignored, I have no doubt that our fair city will fall victim to the same fate as Lusitania, Corsica, and Sardinia.
Long live the Republic!
Message: Lex Atia de Militibus
Author: Tribune of The Plebs, Gn. Atius Pertinax, aka - Diocletian Valerius
Date: Jul 16, 1998 23:10
O noble Romans, increasingly, our men are being called out for longer and longer terms of service. This, bluntly put, is ruining our class of small property owners. After one or two years of service, a man is broke, his property is owned by the usurers, his wife and children possibly even sold up as slaves. We must stop this!
I propose, O noble Romans, that we pass a plebiscite, binding upon all, lex Atia de Militibus, making it clear that no man may be compelled by the state to serve longer than two years at a time, unless both the Assembly and the Senate agree that a national emergency makes it necessary to keep men in the field for a longer period. In most cases, I am sure the Senate can draft replacement legions of new recruits. It will also dissuade our elders from pursuing too many foreign wars.
The Senate will say that this is not our area, but bah! This is an area of individual rights and freedoms, as well as property. It is in the sphere of the People!
Let us vote to end this exploitation of Rome's lesser property owners!
Message: lex Atia de Argentiis
Author: Praetor of Sicilia - Favonius Cornelius
Date: Jul 17, 1998 00:41
People of Rome! When I heard that Atius Pertinax was to lead our legions against the Macedonians, I was worried that he would ignore his duties as Tribune of the Plebs. Now I see that indeed he will defend the rights of the people.
Lex Atia de Argentiis, however, is a dangerous law. It is true that some sectors of our economy are sometimes damaged by over long service, but to disband a legion just as it has gotten use to battle, just as soon as they can call themselves veterans, would seriously weaken Rome's defensive and offensive capabilities.
Most of Rome's enemies have armies that fight on a regular basis. Indeed any barbarian makes it his livelyhood to battle. Shall we expect a cobbler one day to be a warrier then next? Raising new recruits to face our threats is a dangerous prospect, and should be avoided at all costs. This is one reason why we had to always aviod Hannible has he traversed our Italia. I cannot condone this happening again, so I oppose lex Atia de Argentiis.
Message: My Vote for Feb 199 Legislation
Author: Quaestor of Sicilia - Lucius Terentius Varro - Germanicus Terentius
Date: Jul 20, 1998 15:15
I oppose the Lex Atia de Militibus. Veteren legions should remain in the field as long as they are needed.
Message: Lex Atia de Militibus
Author: Private Works Aedile - Gustavus Caelius
Date: Jul 20, 1998 15:24
I oppose this lex because 2 years is a significant change, anyway is a good idea, men want and need return to their homes, see their families and work the fields; maybe 10 or so...
Message: A tremendusly busy praetor makes a correction..
Author: Praetor of Sicilia - Favonius Cornelius
Date: Jul 20, 1998 19:08
When I said I opposed lex Atia de Argentiis, I did of course mean lex Atia de Militibus!
(Red faced grin)
Message: Opposing Lex Atia de Militibus
Author: As Himself - Caius Livius, Patron
Date: Jul 21, 1998 04:33
I oppose this lex as it is wrong to take veteran legions out of the field so soon.
Each man owes a duty to the Republic and we would soon be left with no one to call up if we adopt this lex. Perhaps when we have universal peace and career soldiers, but not now.
Message: Lex Atia de Militibus
Author: Questor - Minutus Manlius
Date: Jul 22, 1998 06:41
Just for now we have great need soldiers of veteran caliber. I oppose this lex.
Message: The hypocrisy!
Author: A saddened Tribune, Gn. Atius Pertinax - Diocletian Valerius
Date: Jul 22, 1998 16:46
I am disgusted by the opponents of this bill! We wealthy men aren't ruined by long service, yet we tend to spend less time in the field, and can leave with less of a penalty should we desire. Perhaps we should prevent army commanders from leaving their posts to pursue plum positions, as some have of late. We need veteran commanders, do we not. I think twenty years service might cut it! Or perhaps ten years to be generous! I am being sarcastic, of course!
Message: Assembly vote for Feb 199 BC
Author: Public Works Aedile - Victorious Marius
Date: Jul 23, 1998 23:16
I oppose the Lex Atia de Militus on the grounds that no negative consequence comes from maintaining the status quo, while -- as pointed out by others who have addressed this issue -- passage of this measure would reduce the effectiveness of our military forces. Until a practical need for changing the terms of service can be demonstrated, there is no need to change them.
Message: My vote
Author: - Drakus Domitius
Date: Jul 24, 1998 01:23
I oppose the Lex Atia de Militubis on the same grounds as the rest of my colleagues. It will only harm our legions' fighting ability.
Message: NPC Tribune Marcus Didius Postumus Makes an Announcement!
Author: As Umpire - Caius Livius, Patron
Date: Jul 28, 1998 12:49
Citizens,
I bring sad news.
Our current Arena Aedile, NPC Gaius Manlius Equinus has sadly been found dead at his home. At present details are sketchy though it appears that foul play is a strong possibility.
Gaius Manlius was elected to the post just two short months ago and has been criticised for allowing the quality of the Arena games to lapse during his brief tenure.
It appears that someone may have found this reason enough to kill him.
Our thoughts and condolences go out to his widow Julia Manlia and his funeral procession will pass down the Via Sacra tommorrow, I am asked to say that anyone who knew Gaius Manlius is welcome to attend.
With profound respect to Gais Manlius, we now have a vacancy for Arena Aedile and I invite candidates for the position to make their applications known to this house.
Message: Lex Domitia Militubus
Author: - Drakus Domitius
Date: Aug 4, 1998 16:19
In light of the concerns of the plebeians, I have decided to offer the following for a vote.
I propose that all private debts of Roman legionaires, current or incurred while serving in the army, be postponed until one year following his release from service and return to Rome.
This law will ease the burden from the shoulders of our soldiers and allow them to fight more effectively because they need not worry about their financial status.
Message: I support lex Domitia Militubus!
Author: Praetor - Favonius Cornelius
Date: Aug 4, 1998 17:03
(Letter to be read to the people of Rome).
There has been increasing concern about the financial status of our brave soldiers, as they fight in protracted wars away from home. It is with these same men that not only the safty of our homes, but that of our economies rest.
Drakus Domitius's lex is an excellent step ahead, allowing our men time to take off their helmets and don the hat of a profession. I fully support this constructive effort!
Message: In Opposition
Author: Public Works Aedile - Victorious Marius
Date: Aug 6, 1998 22:26
Soldiers!
I address you thus for every citizen is, has, or is potentially a soldier of the Republic. As such, we are all aware of the hardships of serving the State. The middle-class landowner who enters service is particularly hard-pressed, with no one to handle his interests -- sometimes for years -- while he is defending the Republic.
The sentiment expressed in the Assembly by others before me -- to seek relief for patriots who place their lives and livelihoods at stake in the service of the Republic -- is an admirable one. It is a sentiment with which I heartily concur. However, I fear the manifestation of this sentiment -- the Lex Domitia Militubus -- will have the opposite effect of its noble intention. Its passage can only make the lives of our citizen-soldiers worse.
Consider: if the proposal is passed, who in their right mind will loan a citizen-soldier any money? Who would make a loan knowing the borrower needs to make no payments until (and only if) the borrower is discharged from service (assuming the borrower survives combat & the other hardships of military life). The Lex Domitia Militubus will shut down the sources of loans for our citizen-soldiers, except, perhaps for the most usary of moneylenders.
I therefore oppose the Lex Domitia Militubus and urge you all to do the same.
Long Live the Republic!
Message: In support of Lex Domitia Militubus
Author: Quaestor of Tarraconensis and Laticlavian Tribune of VIII Legion in Tarraconensis Luciens Aemilius via representative in Rome - Hephestes Cleomenes
Date: Aug 7, 1998 01:54
I support this lex since i believe it will boost morale on the battlefield due to the legionaires,many of them plebes,having peace of mind knowing they won't return home finding they've lost all and without a home.The men in the legion i'm a part of say this lex will make them feel much at ease about their financial future and so i believe this beneficial to our future success in battle.I support the proposed lex.
Luciens Aemilius
Equestrian
Quaestor of Tarraconensis
Laticlavian Tribune of VIII Legion in Tarraconensis
Message: Delegation of Equestrians Address the Assembly
Author: As Umpire - Caius Livius, Patron
Date: Aug 7, 1998 08:15
An angry delegation of Equestrians demand to speak at the Rostra, they jostle the speakers in favour of the Lex Domitia until they gain the attention of the crowd
A corpulent man of about 50 years of age dressed in a brilliant white toga with gold on every finger addresses the crowd.
Citizens! Tribunes!
I urge you to listen to us!
This law is scandalous! It proposes a retrospective suspension of debt for tens of thousands of citizens already in service and for all future loans to any landed Roman citizen eligible to serve in the defence of Rome.
Magistrate, Victorius Marius is quite correct we will not only be unwilling to loan money to any Roman male under the age of 40 but also we will be ruined by the loans we already have.
What can we do but implore you not to take away our livelihood, what we have proposed is tantamount to a general cancellation of debt! We cannot have this, Rome is built on the wealth of its Equestrian class, do not cut us off at the knees! we have done nothing to deserve it.
One of the Tribunes, Lucius Regullus, steps out and rather prematurely, shouts "veto, veto! I veto this bill!"
The Assembly errupts as the crowd surges forward to grab Lucius Regullus. The other Tribunes pick up their togas and run as the lictors rush to their protection.
Lucius Regullus drops a small bag of gold as he starts to move, seeing this he stops and hesitates as he tries to pick it up. The delay proves fatal, the crowd fall upon him and cudgels and knives appear from togas. Lucius Regullus dissappears under a hail of blows.
The lictors, vastly out-numbered, flee and the Comitia empties rapidly.
When the crowd is gone, the sole thing that remains is the bloodied corpse of Lucius Regullus, lying in the centre of the well of the Comitia.
It is a sad day for Rome and what will happen now to the Lex Domitia Militibus?
Message: On the Death of Lucius Regullus, an Admonition to the Equestrian Order
Author: Tiberius Claudius Drusus - Ulpianus Domitius
Date: Aug 7, 1998 11:57
Citizens and Members of the Noble Order of Equites:
While we cannot but lament the death of the Tribune Lucius Regullus at the hands of that most detestable of entities - a mob - I cannot help but remark upon a peculiar aspect of the late Regullus' demise. I think, good people, that if the Tribune Regullus valued his life more than the pouch of gold he dropped in his attempt to reach the safety of the Lictors, perhaps he might have attained the latter, albeit at the expense of the former. I do not mean to malign the dead, but it appears to me, good people, that the late Regullus sought immoderately, in the last moment of his life, the boons of both wealth and the safety of his person. Equites! your beringed and bejewelled spokesman, I trust, has not missed the lesson of Regullus' death. Safe in Rome while others fight to preserve and extend her sway, he would have them repaid for their risks by bleeding them of whatever substance they might possess upon their return. Relinquish, I adjure you, the pouch of gold, if only temporarily, and show your gratitude thereby to those men who have secured your safety. Their unselfish sacrifice grants you the opportunity to prosper in commerce and finance. Embrace Austerity, if only briefly, and consider yourselves more fortunate by the little you stand to lose if you withdraw your objections to the Lex Domitia Militibus.
Message: In support of Lex Domitia Militubus
Author: Senator - Krystus Domitius, Patron
Date: Aug 7, 1998 15:42
Although at first the people may find a slight tug un revenue....the effect shall only be momentary and in the end a benifit to all.
Message: Qunitus Porcius, Tribune, Speaks!
Author: Posted on behalf of an annonymous PC - Caius Livius, Patron
Date: Aug 8, 1998 14:27
Quintus Porcius, Tribune, stands up.
"Gentlemen, you forget - a veto is a veto, is a veto. Lucius Regullus pronounced his judgement clearly, before death. If we disregard this, the rights of our plebeian class are in danger.
The lex Domitia Militibus must be raised anew next month, as a second bill, I'm afraid. Thank you."
He sits down.
Message: Lex Domitia Militubus
Author: As Umpire - Caius Livius, Patron
Date: Aug 9, 1998 11:40
This lex is defeated due to the veto of the late Lucius Regullus.
It can be raised again if wished.
Message: Application for Arena Aedile
Author: Military Questror - Minutus Manlius
Date: Aug 10, 1998 06:49
Quirites!
For several long weeks, since we have no Arena Aedile, we are living in want of spectacular chariot races. This must be changed. I feel a great disposition to fill this office and to entertain you and me with vast games.
Please, support my candidacy, and you will not regret it!
Message: Any other Applicants for Arena Aedile?
Author: As Umpire - Caius Livius, Patron
Date: Aug 12, 1998 06:01
Applications for the above post will close this Friday. If anyone else is interested in being Arena Aedile, then read up on the duties and post here. If not it looks like a one horse race!
Message: In Support of M. Manlius for Arena Aedile
Author: Public Works Aedile - Victorious Marius
Date: Aug 13, 1998 02:11
The following is an unpaid political announcement.
Citizens!
I am impressed by the fine example of civic duty that the honorable M. Manlius has displayed by offering to take up the reins (so to speak) as Arena Aedile.
As a former holder of that office, I can testify that running the Circus Maximus is a difficult field to plow. Furthermore, I feel that we all owe our support to anyone crazy enough to volunt- (AHEM!) -- I mean, anyone who willingly saddles himself with the responsibilities and hard work that come with the office. My best wishes for succes AND my vote goes to M.Manlius. May the gods guide his steps through the stables!
Message: I support M.Manlius as Arena Adile...
Author: Junius Quintus Lupus - Devlin Junius, Patron
Date: Aug 14, 1998 10:17
We need our Chariot Races back! The people of Rome are suffering from boredom. The Gladiator games just aren't enough!
Message: Arena Aedile
Author: Lucius Terentius Varro - Germanicus Terentius
Date: Aug 14, 1998 12:11
I support the candidacy of Minutus Manlius for arena aedile. I look forward to the resumption of the races. Gladitorial contests are fine for the unwashed masses, but the only true sporting event worthy of the noblise are the races.
Victory to the blues!
Message: A Plea to the Pious
Author: A Priest of Rome - Victorious Marius
Date: Aug 15, 1998 14:12
Gentlemen:
As I stand before you today, one of the Republic's leading patriots is in dire peril. I refer, of course, to the recent capture of Gnaeus Attius Pertinax by our treacherous Macedonian enemy.
I have been deeply troubled by this event and am greatly concerned for his saftey and well-being. I know that I am not alone in my sentiments, since many other citizens have made public their opinions on what should be our appropriate response and various schemes to rescue Gnaeus Attius. None of the proposals put forth thus far, however, seem very likely of success.
Gentlemen, I believe we have overlooked the most likely avenue of success. Consider: all the solutions we've heard to date have focused solely on the temporal sphere. Given the difficulties that face Gnaeus Attius, I suggest that we need stronger allies to resolve this affair, allies in the metaphyscial realm. Specifically, I implore every citizen who holds a religious office to post a supplication to the gods requesting the immediate and safe delivery of Gnaeus Attius. (May I refer you to my recent appeal at the Temple of Jupiter Optimus Maximus as a possible model. Note that my promise of sacrifice is optional to achieve the desired effect.)
I beseech you, gentlemen -- particularly all augers -- to use the "official" influence you have with the gods (see section 5.1.2 of the rules) to save our esteemed colleague. With every priest, vestal, auger, and the pontifex maximus using their influence with the gods, the gods will surely hear us and come to Gnaeus Attius' aid. I am sure Gnaeus Attius would do the same if any of you were in his place.
Long Live the Republic & All Glory to the Gods Who Protect Rome!
Message: A More Diplomatic Approach
Author: Lucius Terentius Varro - Quaestor of Sicilia - Germanicus Terentius
Date: Aug 20, 1998 08:37
Citizens!
For too long now, Rome has sought to resolve the problems it faces with force. This has worked well in the past because of Roman discipline, superior Roman tactics, and the indominable spirit and resolve of all of you, Rome's noble sons.
But the cost has been high. Thousands of your sons, fathers, and brothers have left to fight for Rome, only to never return.
I say that when force is needed, we must act decisively! However....however, when smooth words and a hand of friendship can accomplish the same thing as a battle, why should we throw away Roman lives?!?
To this end, I believe that we need to pursue closer diplomatic ties with a number of foreign powers. Treaties, not wars, are the way to ensure Roman security and prosperity and minimize the needless waste of Roman lives.
I will come before you at next month's assembly meeting with a proposal for a treaty with one of our neighbours. I have already, as a private citizen, engaged in informal discussions with representatives of the Illyrian government. I believe that there is much to be gained, by both the Romans and Illyrians, from a formalization of our already cordial relationship.
I will present the details of my proposal to you at the next session for your consideration. I urge you to support a treaty proposal that will shore up our eastern borders, gain us a friend, and create a buffer between us and the barbarians in the east.
Message: Illyrian diplomacy?
Author: A Man of the People, - Victorious Marius
Date: Aug 24, 1998 01:53
Citizens...
While I commend Lucius Terentius Varro's endorsement of a policy which I have long advocated before both ruling bodies of our Republic -- the use of diplomacy to achieve our foreign policy goals -- I cannot help but feel that his speech would have been much more effective if rather than presenting it to this esteemed Assembly he had presented it to the Senate -- the body that by law is responsible for crafting and conducting the Republic's foreign policy.
Furthermore, am I the only citizen who is surprised by Lucius Terentius' announcement that he will be proposing a treaty for ratification to the Assembly next month? Is no one else curious to know when the conduct of treaty negotiations between the Republic and foreign states was delegated to a private citizen rather than the elected officers charged with that duty? Can anyone tell us on whose authority private citizen Lucius Terentius has been acting as representative of the Republic to the Illyrians? Or perhaps I am mistaken. Perhaps Lucius Terentius was negotiating NOT on behalf of the Republic, but for some other..."purpose."
Message: What is that barking sound I hear?
Author: Lucius Terentius Varro - Germanicus Terentius
Date: Aug 25, 1998 10:51
Citizens!
I was not aware that it was illegal for a Roman Patrician to informally discuss, and try to further, the interests of the Republic with foreigners. Marius tells us that this is a policy which he has advocated in the past, yet I see no evidence of any movement in this area. Perhaps the extravagent overbuilding of that hideous Palatine eyesore he calls a home has distracted him from his noble efforts to secure treaties for the state.
It is odd that "a man of the people" has such strong protestations when relations with foreign powers are discussed with "the people"! After all, the Senate sets the laws, but you, the Assembly have the final word and must ratify any treaty.
I admit that I lack the political craftiness of V. Marius, and I probably should have skulked through the Senate, drafted a treaty, and rammed it through the Assembly in the the finest Marian tradition. Instead, I discussed my intentions honestly and provided you, the people, with the opportunity to discuss and debate this issue in the finest Republican tradition.
Fortunately, V. Marius has not yet been appointed dictator, so I do not need his permission, as a private citizen, to further the interests of the Republic. If he wishes to add something valuable to the treaty negotiations with the Illyrians, I would be grateful for his help and advice. If he wants to play at politics, I suggest that his time would be better spent haggling in the fish markets over his various business schemes, or selecting another neighbour's house for demolition to make rooms for his latest villa extravagance.
Message: Minutus Manlius - New Arena Aedile!
Author: As Umpire - Caius Livius, Patron
Date: Aug 27, 1998 09:58
Citizens,
Minutus Manlius has been hereby elected to serve as Arena Aedile for Rome.
May the gods be with him and let the races commence!
Message: Lex Domitius Coloni
Author: concerned - Drakus Domitius
Date: Aug 29, 1998 00:25
It is now two months since I proposed the ill-fated Lex Domitia Militubis. I failed to take account of the intense feelings such a proposal was likely to cause. I am sorry that my proposal caused the death of a Tribune and of others unfortunate enough to be caught in the mob that occured.
Despite my sorrow of the events surrounding the veto of my proposed Lex, I do not feel the deaths to be my responsibility. It seems clear that in their greed and selfishness, the equestrian class chose to bribe a Tribune of the Plebs to veto a law which aids the people of Rome. The law aids those men who fight for Rome and make it possible for the equestrians to live as they do.
And yet, I fail to see the point which the equestrians and the esteemed Victorious Marius attempted to make! The equestrian spokesman stated that my proposal amounted to a cancellation of debt. It did no such thing. It provided for a suspension of payments and forclosures until the indebted legionary could return and commence repayment. The creditor will still receive his payment, it will just arrive later than originally planned.
Victorius Marius stated that if my proposal were passed and became law, that "loans for our citizen-soldiers" would be shut down. If this becomes the case, I call on all patricians to provide the loans needed by our citizen-soldiers to allow them to fight without fearing for the livelihood of their families left behind. I myself will provide assisstance to legionaires to enable them to save their farms and families. Then the moneylenders will, indeed, see a shortage in income. Somehow, I think the moneylenders would survive the suspension of payment proposed by the Lex Domitia Militubus.
Therefore, I propose the Lex Domitia Coloni:
I propose that payment and foreclosure on all private debts of Roman legionaires, be they incurred before service began or incurred while serving in the army, be postponed until one year following release from service and return to Rome.
This law will ease the burden from the shoulders of our soldiers and allow them to fight more effectively because they need not worry about their financial status.
To insure that unscrupulous moneylenders do not take advantage of the situation, one of my colleagues will be proposing another law to affix punishments for exceeding the lawful interest rates on loans.
If there is any misunderstanding concerning this proposal, please feel free to discuss it with me. As for you, my fellow Romans, I beg of you -- do not engage in mob activity in any way again over this bill. Even if it is vetoed again, I beseech you that you remain calm. There are those of us working to see that your concerns are ameliorated.
Message: All Lex postponed till Umpire's return
Author: As Umpire - Caius Livius, Patron
Date: Sep 3, 1998 05:42
So anything proposed will get to be voted on in June.
Message: In Support of Lex Domitius Coloni
Author: as Harmodius,on behalf of T. Claudius Drusus - Ulpianus Domitius
Date: Sep 7, 1998 21:35
My master is pleased to lend his support to the revised Lex Domitius Coloni, as he was, indeed, to its predecessor. The suspension of debt for serving legionaries is the very least we can do to show them our gratitude for the dangers they face in the defence of our beloved Republic.
Message: Support for Lex Domitia Coloni
Author: Quaestor - Pompey Domitius
Date: Sep 17, 1998 15:48
This measure is a well organized proposal. It is simple and straightforward. Drakus Domitius has done well in answering the claims of the equestrians and of Victorious Marius. I support the Lex Domitia Coloni.
Message: Lex Pompeia Colonus
Author: Decimus Junius Pompeius, - Pompey Domitius
Date: Sep 17, 1998 15:55
In association with the Lex Domitia Coloni, I propose the Lex Pompeia Colonus. It is as follows:
I propose that any loans given to soldiers (or their wives) either before or during their tenure as a legionaire have a fixed interest rate ceiling of 12%. In addition, once an interest rate is agreed upon, it can not be raised by the lender.
Message: Questions About Debt Reform Proposals
Author: Lucius Terentius Varro - Germanicus Terentius
Date: Sep 18, 1998 08:43
I have one question and one concern about the proposed legislation. My question is, will interest continue to accrue during the "suspension" of payments? If not, then the moneylenders do suffer a real economic loss (in addition to the obvious cash flow problems). This may result in loans being withheld from men of military age.
The concern I have is more serious. If this law passes it creates the means for debtors who are in over their heads, to walk away from their debt by joining the army for an indefinate period. The proposed law will make it impossible to collect on any debt from a man of military age.
Moneylenders do not HAVE to lend money. If the risk of failing to collect is too high, they will simply go into another line of business. Alternatively, they will charge exorbitant rates on loans to non-military citizens to make up the loss. Either way, the money supply will dry up and we will face recession and reduced tax revenues.
How about this for an alternative. The State treasury will buy the loans of citizens in the army from the money lenders. The State can then suspend the payments and set reasonable rates. We could specifically freeze-out deadbeats who enter the army to avoid repaying loans, and we wouldn't have to tinker with the money supply. After all, if we are trying to reward citizens who serve in the army, the cost of that reward should be imposed on ALL citizens, not just the equestrians.
Message: Proposals for Vote May 199 BC
Author: As Umpire - Caius Livius, Patron
Date: Sep 30, 1998 11:19
LEGISLATIVE PROPOSALS FOR MAY 199 BC
These are the proposals due for voting this turn. No further bills can be raised for consideration by either house in this turn.
Please post your votes clearly and plainly unless you have already done so. "Supporting the Lex Terentia Blah Blah n/t" or whatever is fine.
Senate
Lex Domitia Baetica
The colonisation of Tucci and Mirobriga, both in Baetica for the cost of 3,000D.
Lex Caelia Coloniae
The colonisation of Tucci (Baetica) and Uria (Calabrii) at the cost of 3,000D.
Lex Claudius Triumphans Baeticae
The granting of a triumph to Baetican Praetor, Caius Livius Drusus for his subjugation of the Baetican rebellion upon his return to Rome.
Lex Drusa Aurea
The award of a Gold Spearshaft to Laticlavian Tribune,Drakus Domitius and a Gold Cavalry Standard to Camp Prefect, Decimus Junius Pompeius for their participation in the battle against the Rebel Army in Baetica.
Lex Atia de Legionibus
The Proposal that reinforcements be sent to the I, V and VII legions in Macedonia to bring them up to full strength. (3,600 H.I. - 2,950 L.I. - 700 CAV at a total cost of 629 D)
Lex Cornelia Pax Macedonia
Treaty with the Macedonian People. For the return of the captured Macedonians and peace with the Romans, 10,000D will be paid to Rome. Apollonia and the surrounding land forty miles distant will remain in Roman hands forever after. Any act of aggression against the Greeks or violation of this treaty will be concidered an act of war.
Assembly
Lex Domitia Coloni
Proposal that payment and foreclosure on all private debts of Roman legionaries, be they incurred before service began or whilst serving in the army be postponed until one year following release from service and return to Rome.
Lex Pompeia Colonus
Proposal that any loans given to soldiers (or their wives) either before or during their tenure as a legionaries have a fixed interest rate ceiling of 12%. In addition, once an interest rate is agreed upon, it can not be raised by the lender.
Message: Votes for June
Author: Lucius Terentius Varro - Germanicus Terentius
Date: Sep 30, 1998 12:40
I oppose the Lex Pompeia Colonus and the Lex Domitia Coloni.
Both are well-intentioned, but each will make it more difficult for men of military age to obtain loans. This will hurt the people who are meant to be helped by these bills.
Message: My Votes for May
Author: As Himself - Caius Livius, Patron
Date: Oct 1, 1998 04:17
Citizens,
My votes are as follows:
IN FAVOUR
Lex Pompeia Colonus
Message: My votes
Author: - Drakus Domitius, Patron
Date: Oct 1, 1998 11:32
In favor of:
Lex Domitia Coloni
Lex Pompeia Colonus
Message: Voting and veto...
Author: Gn. Atius Pertinax, aka - Diocletian Valerius
Date: Oct 1, 1998 13:15
I support the lex Pompeia Colonus, but I am afraid that I must veto lex Domitia Coloni, a misguided, but well intentioned bill that intereferes too directly in Roman business practice and will threaten the ability of enlisted men and their families to obtain loans.
Message: Vote
Author: - Pompey Domitius
Date: Oct 1, 1998 13:26
As the proposal put forth by Drakus Domitius has been vetoed, I cannot support it. But I wish it known, that my vote would have been yes to that bill.
I do, of course, vote for the Lex Pompeia Colonus.
Message: Withdrawal of veto, but...
Author: - Diocletian Valerius
Date: Oct 1, 1998 13:35
I still oppose the lex Domitia Colonus. I think it relies too much upon the good will of the upper class in the event of lower class soldiers being unable to get loans - will most of us really come through to help the poor, with no pricetag? Let us be honest with ourselves. Furthermore, why should moneylenders, as the honourable Varro has mentioned previously, bear the brunt of these measures. Finally, I feel that the bill interferes too much in the sphere of business and commerce. I am as much of a friend of the common soldier as anyone, but this bill is not the answer. I will not veto it but I still oppose it.
Message: My Assembly Votes May 199 BC
Author: - Victorious Marius
Date: Oct 1, 1998 16:11
I vote against the two proposals before the Assembly this month for reasons stated in previous posts:
No on Lex Domitia Coloni
No on Lex Pompeia Coloni
Message: Lex Maria Veterani
Author: Friend to Veterans, - Victorious Marius
Date: Oct 9, 1998 04:54
Friends, Romans, Countrymen!
I am sure you all join me in congratulating our forces in Macedonia for their recent, smashing victory over the army of Alexander Leonides. As you know, our legions are comprised of citizen-soldiers, patriotic men who have been sent to protect the Republic at the cost of leaving their personal farms and businesses to languish here at home. I speak to you today to propose that we express our appreciation to these troops for their service and sacrifice in a tangible, meaningful way. Specifically:
I propose as the Lex Maria Veterani that the Republic award estates of 1 square mile from the lands recently conquered in Western Macedonia to each surviving rank-and-file soldier (not officers) who served in the campaign or his widow upon successful completion of the war against Macedonia and the soldier's release from active duty.
Long Live the Republic!
Message: On the Lex Maria Veterani
Author: Gladiatorial Aedile - Drakus Domitius, Patron
Date: Oct 9, 1998 18:38
Citizens of Rome, you all know me. I have twice stood in an attempt to provide Rome's soldiers with security as they fight our battles. You all know me as an advocate for the rights and privileges of the Roman people.
As I reminded you, I have now stood twice to ensure our Roman soldiers have land to return to upon completing their duty to Rome. Twice, Victorius Marius has stood to oppose my bills, and with the aid of the equestrians, has been able to defeat my bill.
Now he stands as a benefactor for the Roman soldiers. What gall! After opposing all my attempts to ease your burdens, he hopes for your support. He will not have mine!
Do not think I am being vindictive. Rome entered this war with Macedon with a punitive expedition planned. Never did we desire to conquer their land so that we might administer its government. Indeed, who among us wants to go to that godsforsaken place to govern?
So I ask, why does Victorius Marius offer this land to you? It is to keep you forever hopeful. It is to win your support to his cause in the hopes of getting land. But you will never get this land. Rome does not seek to annex land in Macedonia. Unless Macedon cedes land to us (a highly unlikely prospect), that land is not his to give. Do not be fooled fellow citizens. Do not vote for this Lex. If you do, you will be truly disappointed.
Message: On Lex Maria Veterani
Author: Questor and Aedile - Minutus Manlius
Date: Oct 12, 1998 06:55
Quirites!
Victorous Marius's proposal is respectable and his intention must be received with the greatest gratitude of every Roman solder or citizen. All of you have served or will serve in the legions of the Senate and People of Rome. You are the men, who know the best, how much sacrifice and fight follows this duty. That is why our veterans must receive lands or other rewards. This provides the founds of our warfare.
Perhaps, this Macedonian war has been commenced with retaliatory intentions not with conquering motivations. But my opinion is, that our border will be never in safety, while this area is not organized in the row of our provinces. So I advise to you not to hesitate! Vote on this proposal! If there will be demands on that macedonian lands, then those lands will be shared out.
Message: On Lex Maria Veterani
Author: - Pompey Domitius
Date: Oct 12, 1998 13:22
The status of returning legionaries is important to all of us. There are few who would argue that our brave soldiers, your fathers, sons, and brohers do not deserve recompense for their effort and sacrifice. My fellow Romans, our soldiers deserve a full repayment.
I would stand and give my support to the Lex Maria Vaterani, IF we were going to annex the land in Macedon. Until that action takes place, this proposal by Victorius Marius is a pipe-dream. I therefore cannot support it. He is attempting to give away land which Rome does not own or control.
I agree, land should be provided for retiring and released soldiers, but let us draft a bill that actually provides that land, not one that offers simply a mirage.
Message: On the Lex Maria Veterani
Author: Lucius Terentius Varro - Germanicus Terentius
Date: Oct 13, 1998 10:25
The intent of this lex is good. It is premature however, and overly generous. Granting each man 1 square mile of land is far too much. This represents 1024 iurgura of land (640 modern acres). We all know that 7 or 8 iurgura is the traditional allotment to retiring veterans.
Marius' lex will make every soldier an equestrian! How do the senators and exisiting equestrians feel about that?
I vote against this lex.
Message: Quintus Fulvius Flaccus calls for an assembly..
Author: For - Favonius Cornelius
Date: Oct 13, 1998 14:21
Citizens of Rome!
Favonius Cornelius Pola has asked that I speak to you today. Honored to be his voice, I quickly agreed. He has asked me to speak to you of the recent lex Maria.
Favonius Cornelius is against this law. It is not that he disrespects the sacrifices made by every soldier in the field, but rather he is against occupation of Macedonia, as he has spoken of in the senate. His ideas are completly sound, and I hope you agree, for they involve the very livelihood of our republic.
The awarding of land to these veterans is an excellent idea, but not in Macedonia. We have just recently aquired huge tracts of land in Baetica, Lusitania and Terraconensis. All of these areas are excellent for starting prosperous communities. Let us rather look there for the land these men deserve.
Message: Proposals for Voting June 199 BC
Author: As Umpire - Caius Livius, Patron
Date: Oct 13, 1998 14:28
LEGISLATIVE PROPOSALS FOR JUNE 199 BC
These are the proposals due for voting this turn. No further bills can be raised for consideration by either house in this turn.
Please post your votes clearly and plainly unless you have already done so. "Supporting the Lex Terentia Blah Blah n/t" or whatever is fine.
Senate
Lex Domitia Baetica II
Malaca be colonized for a cost of 1500 D and that it be enlarged at a cost of 1500 D. Total cost of 3000 D. The colonization, will decrease the chance of rebellion in the future while the enlargement of Malaca will raise revenue for Rome as well as the local inhabitants, thereby also easing the chance of future rebellion.
Lex Aemelia Militaris Tarraconensis
A lex the purpose of which is to fund the rebuilding of VIII Legion(R) which was depleted somewhat at Barcino in Tarraconensis by a group in rebellion. Current strength is 2700 HI,500 LI,and 250 CAV. (Total cost of reinforcement 59 D)
Lex Drusa VIA LIVIA
The new stretch of road connecting Gades through to Carthago Nova in Tarraconensis to be called the VIA LIVIA.
Lex Drusa Militaris
The reinforcing of the Legions based in Baetica (Legio IV & XIII) Total cost 133 D.
Lex Atia Militaris
That these worthy men be rewarded by their beloved patria. To wit, I would like to propose that the following men receive the following military decorations:
For Victorious Marius, peerless advisor and brave commander of the artillery, a golden cavalry standard.
For Minutus Manlius, brave quaestor and man wounded in battle, a silver cavalry standard.
For Gustavus Caelius, brave and resourceful military tribune, a lead spear shaft.
For Sextus Frontinus Rufus (NPC), centurion, a gold crown for being the first over the wall at Apollonia.
Lex Manlia Confirmatio Mercaturae Navalis
Proposal to build and equip 20 new biremese and to send this fleet to Baetica to patrol the wtaers around Baetica. For garrison I propose the city of Gades. The mobilization costs of this 20 ships is 1200 D
Lex Caelia Fabricae
Request for permission to build a military factory.
Lex Terentia Pax Illyria Comitatio
Proposal that we appoint a commission of 3 senators to open treaty negotiations with Illyria. The commission would be responsible for negotiating a tentative treaty with the Illyrians. This tentative treaty would of course require senatorial approval and ratification by the assembly before it became law. The consuls should appoint the 3 members of this committee. I would recommend that the committee be headed by either Scipio Africanus or the first man of Rome, Caius Livius Drusus (declined). I of course, volunteer to serve on the committee. I think the groundwork that I have already put in place will allow me to facilitate the process.
Assembly
Lex Maria Veterani
Proposal that the Republic award estates of 1 square mile from the lands recently conquered in Western Macedonia to each surviving rank-and-file soldier (not officers) who served in the campaign or his widow upon successful completion of the war against Macedonia and the soldier's release from active duty.
Message: Anti-Lex Maria Veterani
Author: As Himself - Caius Livius, Patron
Date: Oct 14, 1998 10:44
Marcus Livius Salinator, former Censor and cousin of Caius Livius Drusus ascends the Rostra and makes the following announcement:
Quirites!
I carry a scroll from my cousin the Praetor of Baetica and First Man of Rome, Caius Livius Drusus! I shall read it to you now:
Citizens,
I write to you on a most important matter before the Assembly this month; the Lex Maria Veterani.
This lex proposes that our veterans serving in Macedonia should, on release from their obligations to the state, be awarded 1 square mile of land each from the captured lands in Macedonia.
Though others have spoken eloquently on the proposal, I wish to make the following points:
Firstly, our legions are made up of landed citizens with farms and land here in native Italia, they are not a professional army of capite sensi with no land to their names and so if we are to give them land to colonize then what will become of their Italian lands?
Secondly, as Lucius Terentius Varro states quite surprising me with his insight; the amount of land promised would make these men Equestrians! I know that twenty years of service deserves recognition, but, I ask you! promotion to the Equestrian order! for 20,000 men? I am no expert on these matters but by my calculations this means that to provide the land promised by the Lex Maria Veterani we will need to set aside an area over five times the size of the island of Crete, just for the men!
What about land for the ager publica?
What size is Macedonia anyway?
I am no specialist but I am sure that our Greek neighbours will be interested to know that we have enshrined in law a Lex that will FORCE us to add most of the Hellenised states to our control just to satisfy the need of the Lex Maria Veterani!
Thirdly, some make the point that the expedition against Macedonia is a punitive one and that colonization was never part of the Lex Drusa Bellona Macedonis. This is also true, though I would not go as far those who say that we ought to return terrain won at the cost of Roman lives for nothing! This land must be kept or traded for something of equal value, not wasted as those who, seeing no personal gain for themselves, attempt to block the chance of Roman settlement in the area.
Quirites, I do not condemn this bill out of hand, I applaud Victorious Marius for the incentives he gives our brave men, but the terms are too generous. He has accused me of woolly thinking in the past, with some justification. I hope that he will concede that on this occasion it is he who's thoughts lie in the company of sheep.
Caius Livius Drusus
Baetican Praetor
Message: Bonis quod bene fit haud haud perit*
Author: A Voice in the WIlderness - Victorious Marius
Date: Oct 18, 1998 14:22
I support the Lex Maria Veterani.
I am deeply saddened to see so many of our political leaders deprive our veterans of a meaningful, well-deserved reward for their service -- especially since this reward would cost our treasury nothing, improve economic opportunity for ALL citizens, AND help secure our eastern flank by settling it with loyal Roman colonists (without the usual colonization costs). I simply cannot see any legitimate reason why a reasonable man would object to the security and economic opportunity the Lex Maria Veterani would make possible.
The three major reasons opponents have voiced for voting against this lex are: (1) I am the person who proposed the lex, (2) the lex conflicts with theoretical policy positions about the war that conflict with current realities, (3) the lex bestows TOO LARGE a reward to those who put their lives on the line for the Republic.
I find these objections mean-spirited, short-sighted, and shameful.
(1) It is true I have opposed proposals in the past that were alleged to benefit our troops. But a fair examination of those proposals reveals they were terribly flawed and would ultimately have hurt those in military service rather than helped them. That the past proposals were defeated is an indication that I am not alone in this opinion.
Rejecting poor proposals, however, is not the same as disagreeing with their aims -- and even a minor officer and civil official -- which I am -- can sometimes have a worthy idea. Hence the Lex Maria Veterani.
I ask you, shouldn't proposals be considered on their merits rather than their source? After all, the beneficiaries of the lex are our Republic and her loyal troops. (I gain nothing personally from the adoption of the lex.)
(2) The initial impulse for the campaign in Macedonia was to "punish" Philip, to rescue our allies from Macedonian imperialism, and to improve the security of the Republic. To that end, we have defeated major Macedonian forces and denied Philip bases on the Adriatic from which he could launch military operations against us. All that remains is for us to make sure that he is no longer a threat to our Greek allies.
I submit that the Lex Maria Veterani is the best way to secure these goals -- denying Philip a base for future offensive operations and creating a friendly buffer between us and what will surely be a vengeful enemy if we allow Philip to remain on the throne. (After all, what are we to say at the campaigns end? "Oh, Philip, you have been a naughty boy, and we hope you have learned your lesson. We are going home now to leave you to raise another army and created fortified bases on the Adriatic coast so you have a better chance to win next time.")
(3) To object to the Lex Maria Veterani because it may allow some "have-not" citizen-soldiers to become prosperous, middle-class businessmen and thus, somehow, diminish those who are already the "haves" in our society is foolishly short-sighted and akin to "cutting off your nose to spite your own face." Making western Macedonia "Roman" would not only increase our tax base, but open new opportunities for trade and development to ALL citizens. Indeed, those most likely to reap the greatest economic rewards would be those who already have the capital and experience to take advantage of them!
Finally, while I have no doubt of the loyalty of our troops, the Lex Maria Veterani would give them an even stronger incentive to execute their duties with extra vigor and effort. I fear the niggardly actions of the opponents of this lex -- some the very men who are busy lining their own pockets while others face hardships and death in the field -- may seriously undermine the morale of our troops (who could blame them?) and have dire consequences for our campaign in Macedonia. If that day comes, what excuses will the opponents of the Lex Maria Veterani make for the blood on their hands?
May the gods -- and our brave soldiers -- forgive you.
* - Whatever is done for good men is never lost.
Message: Lex Aemilia Bread and Circuses
Author: Luciens Aemilius - Hephestes Cleomenes
Date: Oct 22, 1998 04:10
A lex,the purpose of which is to increase all over The Republic bread and circuses to appease a population feeling anxious for entertainment to forget their problems.Also,an attempt to appease rebels from rebelling.This lex should appease all provinces in rebellion first.I don't forsee any financial problems resulting from this.Just concentrate on rebellious areas first,then other areas not quite in rebellion.Expect problems down the line all over our Republic should we fail to pass this lex.
Luciens Aemilius
Equestrian
Quaestor-Tarraconensis
Laticlavian Tribune-Legion VIII-Tarraconensis
Message: Thoughts on Crumbs & Sawdust
Author: Benignly - Victorious Marius
Date: Oct 26, 1998 22:30
(With a bemused smile, Victorious Marius addresses the crowd. He begins in a tone of good-natured ribbing, NOT sarcasm)
Citizens!
I rise to express my delight that someone has finally taken the initiative in searching for creative ways to reduce the risk of rebellion among our provinces. I refer, of course, to the Lex Aemilia Bread & Circuses recently proposed by a man who is himself already hip-deep in revolting Iberian crocodiles -- our very own Quaestor of Tarraconensis & Head Re-arranger of Deck Chairs on the Titanic, Luciens "Is-That-A-Castanet-In-Your-Pocket-Or-Are-You-Just-Glad-To-See-Me?" Aemilius. That's the spirit, Luciens Aemilius! :)
(The audience chuckles. As the laughter subsides, V.M.'s tone becomes more business-like.)
Do not misunderstand me, my fellow citizens. While I may poke a friendly jibe at Luciens Aemilius to lighten the mood, I mean no disrespect for either him or his efforts. The rebellions which undermine our Republic are serious. Luciens Aemilius deserves our thanks for attempting to find a quick resolution, and his proposal merits serious consideration.
Upon reviewing the Lex Aemilia Bread & Circuses, I find I have four questions about his proposal. I would be grateful to Luciens Aemilius if he could answer them so we could all better understand the thinking behind his lex and helps us decide whether it is worthy of our support.
1. Luciens Aemilius states that the purpose of his proposal is (I paraphrase here) to help provincials "forget their problems" and "appease rebels from rebelling." I would like to know the grounds on which Luciens Aemilius bases the thesis of his argument (i.e., that the cause of rebellion is a lack of entertainment in the provinces) and what evidence he has that free food and games will halt or prevent rebellions?
It is my impression that the cause for rebellion against Roman rule is usually something greater than the revolt's entertainment value. I'm also having a difficult time accepting that a subjugated people's inclination to dispute Roman rule will be diminished by seeing their countrymen forced to fight to the death in local arenas (after all, the provinces supply much of the personnel expended in the games, don't they?).
Furthermore, the only action that has been shown effective in subduing the rebellions to date has been the use (or threatened use) of force. I know of no instance in which the type of actions proposed in the Lex Aemilia Bread & Circuses has convinced rebels to lay down their arms and submit to Roman rule. If you can come up with such an example, Luciens Aemilius, please do. I am sure it would gain much support for your proposal.
2. For the sake of argument, let us assume that Luciens Aemilius' solution would be effective. The question then is: how would we implement it? If a city is in rebel hands, how do we get inside to construct the required theaters and arenas or put on the games needed to end the rebellion? I somehow doubt that rebellious cities would open their gates freely to be entertained by our legions. I don't mean to be facetious about this point. I truly don't understand how the Lex Aemilia Bread & Circuses will work logistically. Perhaps Luciens Aemilius would be kind enough to enlighten us...?
3. Again for the sake of argument, let us assume that the logistical obstacles of implementation can be overcome. The next issue that needs to be addressed is the cost of implementing the Lex Aemilia Bread & Circuses.
When Luciens Aemilius proposed his lex, he failed to include an accounting of the costs it would incur. Such an accounting is required by our constitution in order for a proposal to be valid (and eligible for a vote). What we need to know is:
Which cities would get the new entertainment venues?
How much will they all cost?
Who will be in charge of arranging the games and other entertainment? Who will administer the proposed programs? Will we rely on the locals or have to create some vast, new Republic-wide bureaucracy?
How much bread would need to be supplied? Where would it come from and how would it be distributed?
What is going to be the tab for building the entertainment infrastructure and what will be the annual cost of providing the entertainment?
The entire program seems immense. I, for one, would like to know exactly how immense it will be and where the money for it is supposed to come from...
4. Finally (and this is more a point of parliamentary procedure than an issue of the proposal's content), what does Luciens Aemilius expect the Assembly to do about his proposal? The Assembly has no authority to initiate legislation regarding the expenditure of Treasury funds. Only the Senate may do so. Did he bring his proposal to the Assembly merely to get an indication of the "sense of the People" on his plan or what?
In conclusion, I reiterate that I sincerely and wholeheartedly commend Luciens Aemilius for suggesting an alternative method of dealing with the threat of rebellion in the provinces. What remains to be seen is if this method withstands serious scrutiny. I eagerly await Luciens Aemilius to provide us with the substantive details we need to make an informed judgement on the Lex Aemilia Bread & Circuses.
Long Live the Republic!
Message: Lex Aemilia Bread and Circuses
Author: Gladiatorial Aedile - Drakus Domitius, Patron
Date: Nov 17, 1998 11:54
People of Rome, I find myself agreeing with Victorius Marius on the proposed Lex. It is vague and doesn't detail exactly what we should do. It fails to provide the amount of money such a law would require to be spent, or a plan of action (a starting point) by which to begin.
While I commend the motive behind the lex, it should not be passed.
Message: Lex For Vote this Turn
Author: As Umpire - Caius Livius, Patron
Date: Nov 19, 1998 19:00
LEGISLATIVE PROPOSALS FOR JULY 199 BC
These are the proposals due for voting this turn. No further bills can be raised for consideration by either house in this turn.
Please post your votes clearly and plainly unless you have already done so. "Supporting the Lex Terentia Blah Blah n/t" or whatever is fine.
Senate
Lex Domitia Baetica II
With the resurgance of rebellion in the Iberian peninsula, I feel it necessary to endeavor to ensure such a rebellion will not reoccur in Baetica. For that purpose, I propose that the towns of Baesippo and Corduba be colonized for a total of 3000 D.
Lex Hibernica Tarraconensis
I propose that we send XIII Legio Allied, now garrisoned in Baetica, to Tarraconensis to help to put down the rebellion there.
Lex Hibernica Corsica
I propose that a colony should be established on Corsica near or in the town of Favone at a cost of 1500D. I propose that the town of Aleria be enlarged at a cost of 1500D. I propose that incentives should be made on Corsica to allow factory producers to build small and medium-sized factories. The price of the land needed for these small or medium sized factories should be lowered by 35%, giving factory interests a discounted price should they be interested in investing in Corsica. This 35% discount will be granted to persons building NEW factories.
Lex Terentia Iberia
Two new Roman legions should be raised and sent to supress the rebellion in Iberia; one for Luisitania, and one for Tarraco. The total cost of mobilization being 818D.
Lex Aurelia Aurea
I wish to propose that the following men be granted Military honours in recognition of their service in the recent capture of Messana.
I. Laticlavian Tribune, Marcellus Narcisus a Lead Crown
II. Camp Prefect, Lucius Terentius Varro a gold spearshaft.
III. Naval Commander, Brambolio a posthumous gold crown.
I urge you reward these brave men.
Lex Maria Aequilibrium
Citizens are required to spend an amount on public works/art/spectacles each month equal to the amount they spend on private works AND religious sacrifices that month.
Lex Cornelia Aurea
The following men shall be awarded for their bravery and capable pacification of the Sicilian Revolt.
I. Laticlavian Tribune Marcellus Narcisus a Lead Crown
II. Naval commander Brambolio, posthumous Gold Crown
III. Publius Aurelius Naso, Lead Crown
IV. Gaius Julius Strabo, Lead Crown
Assembly
Lex Aemila Bread & Circuses
Rejected: as it fails to satisfy the requirements for a lex ie: cost and specific aims.
Message: Proposals for Vote this Turn
Author: As Umpire - Caius Livius, Patron
Date: Dec 6, 1998 12:32
LEGISLATIVE PROPOSALS FOR AUGUST 199 BC
These are the proposals due for voting this turn. No further bills can be raised for consideration by either house in this turn.
Please post your votes clearly and plainly unless you have already done so. "Supporting the Lex Terentia Blah Blah n/t" or whatever is fine.
Assembly
Nothing!
A lack of imagination by legislators has led to the Comitia failing to sit on the majority of days this month, possibly due to the seasonal high temperatures and the attractions of the Bay of Neapolis at this time fo year.
Board: Imperium
Topic: Assembly
Topic Editor: Maritus Furius
Topic Description: For the Tribunes and general populace....
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Message: Lex Valeria de Provocatione
Author: Q. Valerius Catullus - Maximus Manlius
Date: Dec 9, 1998 17:52
Quirites --
I come before this body (an uncommon thing of late) because of what I see as a dangerous lacking in the laws of this Republic. I am sure that all of you have heard the grumblings concerning the recent high-profile trial of Favonius Cornelius Pola. I will not even trouble you with a description of the sentence he received so undeservedly compared to the crimes of which he was convicted.
Who among you would like yourselves to be in Pola's place -- it is bad enough for someone with his resources, but think of what such a weighty sentence could fall upon you, the common man, the next time you fail to get out of a rich man's sella in time? This is a blatant example of the topheavy power this government is able to wield over the individual. Where is Pola's libertas in this matter? It is betrayed by the same government he entrusted his service to! Where will yours be, my friends, the next time a simple misstep results in the confiscation of your homes, your shops, your wife and children?
On account of this, I call you, Romans, to support the following proposal...
I intend to reestablish the ancient right of provocatio, under which the Roman citizen tried in a criminal court has the right of appeal to this body, the popular assembly, under its tribunate. This right has been in existence since the passage of the Lex Valeria over a hundred years ago. It is derived from the right of auxilium, the practice of the protection of Romans from the magistracy by the tribunate. Hence I propose the following:
Citizens convicted and sentenced in the criminal court may appeal their sentences here, in the Assembly, within the month (turn) after their sentence. A 2/3 vote by the tribunate is sufficient to overturn the sentence. Should this occur, an acceptable (to the tribunate) sentence must be declared in its place.
I urge you to vote for this law, Romans. It has precedent, it ensures justice, and it serves the purpose of this body -- to ensure that you are treated better than mere slaves or foreigners. You are citizens of Rome -- this is your right.
Message: Pola's Conviction...
Author: Gn. Atius Pertinax, aka - Diocletian Valerius
Date: Dec 9, 1998 23:14
My thanks to the public spirited Valerius for reminding us of this ancient custom.
If the Lex Valeria is already enshrined in law and tradition, let us call a meeting now! Tribunes, let us gather around and discuss this matter of Pola's conviction. What is your opinion on the man's sentence?
If it does have to come down to a vote to reaffirm the law, I am heartily in support of the Lex Valeria.
Message: On Pola's conviction
Author: Gladiatorial Aedile - Drakus Domitius, Patron
Date: Dec 10, 1998 02:16
People of Rome, I also shall rise to speak on this political issue which has been raised today. The issue of Pola's conviction has raised many issues in Rome, especially the supposed heavy sentencing he has received. While I hold no personal animosity towards Pola, I feel it necessary to speak out against what I perceive as incorrect assertions on his behalf.
Many have claimed that the sentencing of Pola was too severe. That his crimes were only civil crimes, and not crimes against the state. I wish to comment on these complaints. The sentence passed on Pola was considered carefully, I am sure, before it was delivered. He who delivered it had no reason to deliver an exceptionally severe penalty. No factions spoke out in favor of a heavy sentence. Instead, he was sentenced in accordance with his crimes.
Now you will say that his crimes were civil, and therefore he should not have been removed from his praetorship. In this, you would be wrong! Pola was convicted of slandering public officials. That makes these issues criminal, not civil. Slander is a serious crime, and has always carried serious repercussions.
With the decision that Pola was guilty, the chance that he might be punished by the full weight of our law existed. It is a chance he took when he undertook a campaign of slander against two highly respected Senators. Will we be swayed by those who would see Pola receive a slap on the wrist for his actions? If we do so, Roman law will become a laughing stock in the lands we control. Others will view us as weak, and unable to control our own Senators and citizens.
I would ask that if the case of Pola is brought before this body to be reviewed that these issues be remembered. Pola was convicted of criminal offenses, not just civic. His punishment fits the crime commited.
May the Republic live forever and honest and true men govern it always.
Message: Lex Valeria
Author: Aedile and Questor - Minutus Manlius
Date: Dec 10, 1998 08:23
Quirites!
Before I speak, I would like to notice all of you, quirites, that I take stand on Lex Valeria independently from Pola's case!
I think, this proposal may be fair and just, gives chance for us to evade every conviction on trumped-up charges. I suggest to vote on this lex!
Do not let it to get lost!
Message: On Lex Valeria ad nauseum...
Author: Lucius Terentius Varro - Germanicus Terentius
Date: Dec 10, 1998 09:04
The Lex Valeria is an interesting idea, and I will give its proposer the benefit of the doubt with respect to his motives...
If I understand the substance of this proposal, any conviction for any crime can be appealed to the 10 tribunes of the plebs, and 7 of them can agree to overturn it and substitute an alternative punishment. This means that our elaborate jury system, designed to prevent bribery, is now worthless. If accused of a crime, I can sit on my thumbs during my trial, take whatever lawful sentence is imposed, whine to the assembly, bribe 7 tribunes (for a few hundred denarii) and walk away from my crime.
An interesting idea...I can just imagine the "type" of Senator who will support this bill.
Message: De Lex Valeria
Author: Quintus Valerius Catullus - Maximus Manlius
Date: Dec 10, 1998 11:37
Why thank you, Varro. I'm sure the gathered populace simply loves to hear from you -- your allegations that the public officials they elect to represent themselves and their rights are of course an easy bribe, while your upright senatorial juries are of course untouchable. I for one am deeply offended. I am sure that each and every one of the tribunes gathered here loves to be insulted in such a fashion. You're making friends among those with the veto power, I see.
Not only that, I'm certain you're going over quite well with the vast majority of the city which is responsible for electing you to office, even though they're *just* corruptible plebians. I guess it's a good thing you can apparently just buy every last one of these upright Roman men off with a handful of copper, Germanicus. Because otherwise I'm sure you'll have fun trying to squeeze a single solitary vote out of one of these citizens who's taking a moment out of his day, working hard to put bread on his family's table, to hear you call them corrupt, bribable, Greek.
Quirites, do not stand for this. This is not some ploy to get some rich senator out of trouble by splashing a few Denarii around. This is an effort to stand up for the rights every last of you has as a Roman.
It is too late for Pola's sentence to be overturned, and that is not the purpose of this bill. Despite the harsh blows leveled against him, he has very graciously accepted them. Other fine men like Marius have seen his plight and overcome old personal differences to extend a helping hand to one so grievously slighted.
Instead, I ask us to learn from our mistakes. We have all seen a dire flaw in our legal system which threatens us all; let us fix it before it's too late for someone who doesn't have the means to stand down gracefully.
For your families, Romans...
Message: For lex Valeria
Author: Senator et Auger - Favonius Cornelius
Date: Dec 11, 1998 02:13
Favonius Cornelius Pola climbs onto the rostra in his turn to speak. The rostra, built out of the beaks of two old Cartheginian ships, sees Favonius move forward with four priests, one holds a golden platform on which lies a number of bronze tablets. He begins...
Citizens of Rome! I come to you today to speak of tradition and mos maiorum. Of law and justice. Quirites, I come to glorify the sacrifices and struggles our forefathers have endured to see that we today, plebeian and patrician, rich or poor, may coexist in peace.
I thank Drakus Domitius for coming forward and speaking of my trial sentence, but I must differ greatly in opinion. His opinion is a difficult one to have, as most of Rome has agreed that the sentence passed by the court praetor is excessively harsh, and indeed is not in keeping with constitution or tradition. It is nefas! Drakus Domitius says that slander of public officials is a capital crime. To finally put this misunderstanding to rest, I have done a search of the pontifical records, and found these tablets which detail the nature of capital crimes.
A priest moves forward with the tablets. Favonius picks one up and shows it to the gathered crowd.
Drakus Domitius could not read the words on this tablet!
Chuckle from the crowd...
No, I do not ridicule Drakus Domitius, (therefore bringing yet another ‘capital' crime upon my head!) The Latin inscription on this tablet is so old that only augers and pontiffs are trained to read them. This tablet details the crimes which are to be capital crimes: "Capital crimes, those crimes which harm the state and public, shall be tried in a court judged by the month's consul and a jury of senators. They include extortion of Italian allies, embezzlement of state funds, treason against the state, malpractice in candidacy for office, acts of violence, and murder." Of course, today we have a court praetor to judge our trials, but the laws have not changed otherwise all these many years. No where is it mentioned that slander is a capital crime. These words of our revered ancestors attest to that.
Just think of the implications if it was! To speak one's opinion of a senator, however falsely, and then to meet with a capital sentence? To criticize a fellow senator and lose praetorial chair, and be forced into indebtedness? Suddenly all speech is a capital crime. If you'll even take the time to notice, this ‘slander' was contained in two private letters, hardly damaging to the public, hardly worth breeching the constitution by removing the sacrosanct office of a magistrate.
But I have not come to you today to complain of my sentence. I have resolved myself to bear it so that it may be made an example, so that our children shall need not grow in an environment which has an unjust court system that endangers the public welfare and ignores private rights.
Seeing that duty demands a change be made, the honorable Quintus Valerius Catullus has proposed to reestablish the curiously forgotten right of a tribune to use his ancient powers of provocatio, the appealing of a sentence. Here I have yet another tablet from our forefathers. This tablet was written in 449BC! Two and a half centuries ago! It is written by a tribune, by the name of Valerius, and it was a plebiscite ratified that formalized the rights of the tribunes. Of those rights, provocatio is most importantly maintained. Our fathers saw the wisdom of this law. How can it not apply today?
People of Rome! I urge you to stand for your rights! Do not let magistrates of petty intention steal them. Do not allow this abuse of constitution and tradition to continue. A stand must be made, and it shall be made with lex Valeria!
Message: Returning to the Rostra
Author: - Drakus Domitius, Patron
Date: Dec 11, 1998 03:10
People of Rome, the good Favonius Cornelius Pola has done well to busy himself with studying up on the laws of Rome instead of breaking them. A small chuckle runs through the crowd at the remark. I am glad that these tablets have been presented today. Let us look at the tablets carefully. The first tablet says that capital crimes are "those crimes which harm the state and public." The tablet goes on to say that these crimes "include extortion of Italian allies, embezzlement of state funds, treason against the state, malpractice in candidacy for office, acts of violence, and murder." No where does the tablet say that crimes which harm the state are limited to those mentioned. Surely slander of public officials fits within the realm of actions "which harm the state and public."
By slandering two public officials, Pola could have caused these two men to become ineffectual in the position to which you elected them. Such a lack of ability to carry ou their duties would be harmful to the state. I do not speak of the letters which Pola sent to the Senators, but instead to his testimony before the court. Before I recall his testimony, let me say a quick word about slander and opinion.
Pola argued that to offer an opinion of another Senator should not be slander, and I agree. Slander is an attempt to disparage someone by offering false or unproven accusations against their name. Offering an opinion is preceded by the phrase "In my opinion" (or something similar). Offering an opinion on his victims, however, is not what Pola attemtped. I draw your attention back to his own testimony in his recent case. He is discussing his version of events and discussing partciularly Lucius Terentius Varro. It is Varro to whom Pola is referring at the beginning of this quote. Pola said: "What better way, he (Varro) thought, than to take advantage of the Victorious Marius scandel? Forging letters and communicating with Victorious Marius, they hatched their plot. Lucius would get freedom from guilt, and undoubtably a fortune from Marius, and Marius would clean his hands of the scroll scandel. Needless to say I was infuriated that Varro would sink to such EVIL! How can a man, only interested in himself, harbor every vice known to man?"
Now I ask you, fellow citizens, if that is a simple opinion of these two upstanding citizens? To my ears it is an accusation of criminal activities. An accusation for which Pola could forward absolutely no evidence. This is slander. It was meant to wrongfully accuse two Roman magistrates, thereby harming the Repbulic.
I willingly support a debate about the Lex Valeria. Our ancient customs gave such a right to the Assembly, and so we must decide if such a tradition should continue. Let us freely discuss this issue. I of course, will accept the decision of the Assembly.
Message: Lex Valeria is Illegal
Author: As Umpire - Caius Livius, Patron
Date: Dec 11, 1998 09:28
Citizens,
The Lex Valeria de Provocatio is illegal and will not be allowed to stand for voting.
Please see my post in the Discussion Thread.
It appears that some players seem to think that Imperium is a democracy where participants have the right to ammend the rules. Dream on Quirites, that is my job and mine alone. As far as Imperium's Rules are concerned the Umpire is elected as dictator for the term of his appointment.
Message: The Rostra, One Last Time
Author: Senator et Auger - Favonius Cornelius
Date: Dec 11, 1998 18:35
I find it curious, citizens of Rome, that of all the senators in Rome only Drakus Domitius is ardent in proclaiming the legality of the court praetor's actions. It would seem as if he indeed has a bias in this regard, despite what he asserts.
I only have to say this: the trial was in regards to what was contained in these letters. I was not on trial for slander in what I may have said in court, but for slander in these privatly sent letters. To punish me for anything said in court in my defence would be as illegal as the sentince that has been placed upon me.
In all fairness, I urge Drakus Domitius to take on an attitude much like the recievers of those slanderous letters. Like Victorious Marius: to recognize the questionable nature of the sentincing passed upon me. Or like Lucius Terentius Varro: to acknowledge the possibility that another answer may present itself in regards to these crimes I have been accused of.
Message: For the record...
Author: Fessus viator - Victorious Marius
Date: Dec 14, 1998 00:29
Friends, Romans, Countrymen!
To avoid any misunderstanding among those of you who have NOT followed the recent trial of Favonius Cornelius Pola closely, I wish to make a public distinction between my motives of my recent speech before the Senate and my note to the Criminal Court Praetor regarding Favonius Cornelius' sentence and the motive which Favonius Cornelius has just implied.
I share the view of the jury and court that Favonius Cornelius is guilty of slander. (The "privacy" of a communication has no bearing on whether or not the message communicated constitutes slander.)
However, as I have expressed in the Senate, I also believe that the punishment should fit the crime. Thus, my nomination of him as his own successor.
Let he who is without sin cast the first stone...
Long Live the Republic!
Message: Your lost sons
Author: Lucius Terentius Varro - Germanicus Terentius
Date: Dec 17, 1998 11:45
Wearing black robes of mourning, Lucius Terentius Varro takes the Rostra and speaks to the crowd...
It is another sad day for the everyday men and women of Rome. Gn. Atius Pertinax has won another "great victory" for Rome and captured the city of Oricum. You there, Tiberius...you lost a son at that other "great victory": Apollonia. How are your other two sons fairing in Pertinax's army? No word yet? I imagine that you gain little comfort from your eldest son's valiant death for a city that Pertinax has since lost to the enemy without a fight. I am sure that you are not happy that you son's final resting place is now being trampled under unwashed Epirian and Macedonian feet.
But let's be fair. Pertinax has captured Oricum. Even if he was unable to capture the city's leaders or treasury. Sure he could have used our fleet to blockade the port and prevent escape, but what does that matter? If he loses Oricum like he lost Apollonia, he can always retake it. Tiberius there has more sons. And each time he takes or retakes a city with your son's blood, he gathers a little more booty for himself. So in the end, I guess it's worth the cost to fight a war without a plan, without any foresight, and without any forseeable ending.
I am in mourning for the loss of your sons in a war gone adrift. You would think that your own Tribune would be more cautious with his voters lives.
Message: A Question
Author: Friend of the People - Victorious Marius
Date: Dec 20, 1998 11:49
Fellow citizens of the Republic!
It never ceases to amaze me how some politicians show a sudden concern for the welfare of the People when they need your help to further their own agendas.
But I won't insult your intelligence with the type of blandishments and pandering at which Loser Terentius Varro is so skilled. Rather, I ask you to consider a single question as you reflect upon the charges he makes against the noble Gnaeus Atius Pertinax:
Where are Varro's wounds?
Message: Lex Atia de Sumptuaria
Author: Gn. Atius Pertinax - Diocletian Valerius
Date: Dec 26, 1998 21:23
O noble Romans, luxury in all its forms saps our Roman manhood, turns the poor against the rich and the rich against the poor and diverts monies that could be spent upon the public good toward private vice. Fortunately the lex Oppia curbs the luxurious impulses of the feminine gender, but what curbs the hunger of wealthy men for excessive personal luxury?
The humble shopkeeper or workman lives in a time of bread shortages and foreign uncertainty, competing with foreign slaves in an increasingly alien city. Who can blame him if he becomes enraged when he sees a jolly and well fed senator riding past in a gold and silver car, or hears of plump equestrians gorging themselves on peacock's tongues and their eyes on sinuous dancing girls from Gades (Modern Cadiz, famed in ancient times for dancing girls)?
I propose, in this Assembly, not a tax, but a simple cap upon personal luxury. I propose that future expenditures upon villa improvements and private works of art be capped at 150 denarii per month. This should be a more than ample allowance for household embellishment and private banquets. I myself am planning a wedding this autumn and won't be spending this much upon it. It will, however, lessen the chance that men shall grow jealous of those wealthier than they and take up arms.
Those transgressing the law for the first time will suffer a fine of three times the cost of the expenditures, and the articles themselves shall be destroyed, the precious materials involved in their creation being auctioned off. The monies gained from this will go straight into the state treasury. Those doing so for the second time will suffer a like fine, except in this case it will amount to nine times rather than three. Those for the third time will suffer a fine similar to that levied for the second time, as well as degradation from the Senatorial to the Equestrian Order in the case of Senators, and from the Equestrian Order in the case of Equestrians. Those guilty for the fourth time will suffer like penalties, and will furthermore be forbidden from holding office - also, all honours as a magistrate will be withdrawn. Those continuing to transgress beyond this point will suffer all of the penalties suffered by those guilty for the third and fourth times.
I believe that this body is the best place for the lex, for it does not involve a tax, per se, but deals rather with an issue of law pertaining to the whole of the People, for indeed equestrians are affected as much as senators by its measures, as are other groups.
Message: FINAL VOTING PROPOSALS FOR SEPTEMBER!
Author: As Umpire - Caius Livius, Patron
Date: Dec 27, 1998 12:25
ASSEMBLY
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LEGISLATIVE PROPOSALS FOR SEPTEMBER 199 BC
These are the Assembly proposals due for voting this turn. No further bills can be raised for consideration in this turn.
Please post your votes clearly and plainly. "Supporting the Lex Terentia Blah Blah n/t" or whatever is fine.
Again Nothing!
A lack of imagination by legislators has again led to the Comitia failing to sit on the majority of days this month, the Pleb's are becoming restless at their lack of consultation in the govenment of the republic!
Well OK one late Lex!
Lex Atia de Sumptuaria
Proposal, in this Assembly, not a tax, but a Plebescite placing a simple cap upon personal luxury. I propose that future expenditures upon villa improvements and private works of art be capped at 150 denarii per month. Those transgressing the law for the first time will suffer a fine of three times the cost of the expenditures, and the articles themselves shall be destroyed, the precious materials involved in their creation being auctioned off. The monies gained from this will go straight into the state treasury. Those doing so for the second time will suffer a like fine, except in this case it will amount to nine times rather than three. Those for the third time will suffer a fine similar to that levied for the second time, as well as degradation from the Senatorial to the Equestrian Order in the case of Senators,
and from the Equestrian Order to Plebian in the case of Equestrians. Those guilty for the fourth time will suffer like penalties, and will furthermore be forbidden from holding office - also, all honours as a magistrate will be withdrawn. Those continuing to transgress beyond this point will suffer all of the penalties suffered by those guilty for the third and fourth times.
Message: Lex Atia de Sumptuaria
Author: Quaestor DJunius Pompeius - Pompey Domitius
Date: Dec 30, 1998 20:31
My fellow Romans, I wish to speak concerning the Lex Atia de Sumptuaria. This lex is, I believe, a legitimate attempt to curb excess among the upper levels of Roman society. It will help to curb the growing animosity between the rich and the poor in Rome.
This law addresses prominent problems in Rome, and I support it and urge all to do likewise.
Message: I Oppose the Lex Atia de Sumptuaria
Author: Private citizen - Victorious Marius
Date: Jan 3, 1999 23:12
Citizens!
The essence of my previous proposals on this subject should make it clear that I believe it every citizen's right to invest his private treasury as he wishes -- just so long as he also reimburses any costs his investments impose upon society.
In contrast, the Lex Atia de Sumptuaris merely sets an arbitrary limit on everyone's spending, regardless of what they can afford to spend or how willing they are to accept their obligations to reimburse the costs to the public welfare. The proposed lex is, thus, clearly an assaualt on two of the most fundamental ethical pillars of Roman society: auctoritas and dignitas.
For this reason I must oppose the Lex Atia de Sumptuaria
Message: I support the Lex Atia Sumptuaria
Author: Quintus Valerius Catullus - Maximus Manlius
Date: Jan 4, 1999 03:05
Let the man of means put a roof over his neighbor's head and bread in his belly before he puts up his murals and eats his shellfish and lark's tongue! I mean, I certainly have no problem with spending money on oneself, in fact I suppose I've done it once or twice. But how can you go out into the streets and see these wretched poor -- and I ask you to look at them now, nobles -- and not offer them a bite to eat, but go home to stuff yourselves at the triclinium full of dormouse and other imported dainties? Do you see that old man, come to hear whether his betters will toss him the least hope of good fortune in their decisions today? How many arms does that man have; I only see one! Nobles, how do you pass that poor visage in the street? Do you have one of your eight strong-shouldered litter carriers toss him aside?
For the good of the people, Romans, since it is on their account that we stand here, I ask every last one of you in the crowd who feels pity for the one-armed grandfather whose ribs are showing to support him, to support your neighbors, to support your wives, your children, and yourselves, by voting for the Lex Atia. The rich have gotten where they are by exploiting the likes of you -- here's your chance to keep them from keeping it.
Message: A Point of Order
Author: - Victorious Marius
Date: Jan 6, 1999 03:55
(A citizen easily recognized by the crowd due to his ample girth and generously round shape heaves himself onto the Rostrum and is greeted with enthusiastic applause. It is the ever-popular "Philosopher of the Common Man" himself -- Gaseous Maximus!)
Gaseous Maximus: Citizens! Point of Order! I have a Point of Order!
(The Forum crowd listens with full attention.)
Gaseous Maximus: As per our ancient custom and tradition, I hereby must INSIST that those of you who have been pelting the censors with handfuls of grain from your public dole allotments immediately cease and desist. Not only is such behavior rude, it is a sad waste of good grain. If you MUST throw away your grain, throw it at ME. (He grabs his monumental belly with both hands and shakes it.) I PROMISE to put your grain to GOOD USE!
(The crowd ROARS with laughter -- and throws handfuls of grain from their dole allotments at the rotund orator...)
Message: On Victorius Marius
Author: D Junius Pompeius - Pompey Domitius
Date: Jan 6, 1999 05:56
People of Rome, I stand before you as one who has not stood out a great deal in the politics of Rome. I have proposed laws from time to time, including a cap on the interest charged on your loans, and hope I have served Rome to some degree.
Our Republic has entered troubled waters recently. The leading men of Rome nurse personal grudges against each other and for their own ideas. I sometimes wonder who serves Rome these days.
One whom I have always considered a friend of Rome, Victorius Marius, is even implicated in these actions. His large donations to the temple and his closure of the Public Works office to new petitions will cause problems for Rome. Some claim he wishes to brint riots to Rome. Despite this, I am sure he acts out of no ill will for Rome or for his peers in the Senate. If I believed otherwise, I could not believe Marius to be a man of honor, for no honorable man would stoop to such levels to harm his enemies and bring riots down on Rome.
If the honorable Marius is found to be guilty of such heinous crimes, Rome will have lost a great man. But, I implore you Romans, do not riot. To do so would be to do exactly what Victorius Marius wants (if indeed he wants it). Do not riot. Be true Romans. You have your grain, you have the ongoing buildings of Rome. Be happy that the gods have blessed you to live in the fairest city on earth.
Message: My thanks, people of Rome...
Author: Q. V. Catullus - Maximus Manlius
Date: Jan 10, 1999 03:43
I stand here before the populace of Rome, or what has gathered to hear a windbag like myself speak. Yes, citizens, I love to talk, but do you know what really brings me up here on the Rostra, time and again?
I'll tell you. It's the pleasure I gain from seeing assembled before me a great crowd, not of mere men, but of Romans. Let the Eastern kings rule over their perfumed slaves. Let the hairy Gauls join each other in feasting upon the raw flesh of a boar. I care nothing for them, because of what I see here -- these are honest men of Rome.
It takes something special to be a Roman. I think I saw a hint of that something just days ago, during the crisis at the close of last month. Some men, sitting in their expensive villas high on the Palatine, looked down and saw a rabble they could mold to their purposes, a simple-minded crowd that could be driven to riot to push around a rival. Or that's what it looks like to me -- I saw a few trusted clients of certain unnamed notaries down there with torches, and I certainly wouldn't think these great men would like to watch a riot just for pleasure.
And in any other nation, these men would have been succesful.
But they forgot who they were dealing with. They were dealing with the finest bunch of men to be found from the pillars of Hercules to the rivers of India. I trusted you, Romans. I appealed to your wisdom. A Roman wouldn't rush in without thinking. A Roman listens to reason. A Roman, even one who goes hungry, stops to think about who ran the office that just gave him and his children their last meal. And my faith was more than justified.
I see you, you who are nobler than the richest man on the Palatine, and it brings a tear to my eye. To think that any man could look at that noble crowd below and think it an idle mob of peasantry...
I congratulate you, but you need no congratulations. Instead, forgive me for ever doubting you. I thank you for listening to me in the turmoil and the chaos. I thank you for listening to yourselves.
And now, citizens, the crisis is over, and I'm left standing up here wasting your precious leisure time. Go on to your work, then, and put food on your family's tables. Myself, I think I'll run by the office of the Public Works Aedile. Perhaps he could use an extra pair of hands, with the work all backed up. It's the least I can do for the people of Rome, the noblest citizenry in the world.
Message: PROPOSALS FOR VOTE OCTOBER 199 BC
Author: As Umpire - Caius Livius, Patron
Date: Jan 15, 1999 11:51
ASSEMBLY
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LEGISLATIVE PROPOSALS FOR OCTOBER 199 BC
These are the Assembly proposals due for voting this turn. No further bills can be raised for consideration in this turn.
Please post your votes clearly and plainly. "Supporting the Lex Terentia Blah Blah n/t" or whatever is fine.
Again Nothing!
A lack of imagination by legislators has again led to the Comitia failing to sit on the majority of days this month, the Pleb's are becoming restless at their lack of consultation in the govenment of the republic. Several Senators and Tribunes of the Plebs were pelted with dung on the Ides of October forcing their lictors to intervene. Five people were injured one was killed when he fell into the well of the Comitia and broke his neck. Vigiles had to deal with a large riot in the vicinity of the Circus Maximus when friends and relatives of the dead man attacked the lictors of the Criminal Court Praetor badly injuring them. Rome remains on alert as unrest amongst the Plebs continues to grow.
Message: Adressing the Masses
Author: As Himself NPC - Caius Livius, Patron
Date: Jan 18, 1999 07:37
Lucius Cornelius Lentullus stands at the rostra and addresses the crowd below.
"Citizens of Rome! I bear here a letter from my good friend Caius Livius Drusus, Praetor of Baetica, I shall if you will allow me, read it to you"
There are murmurs of assent mixed with the odd whistle and shout of "bu**er off Lentullus!"
Lentullus begins:
Citizens of Rome, especially Plebeians and Proletari,
I wish to speak on a matter that is close to my heart, and also, I know to yours.
These last few months have seen a reduction of the importance and status of the popular assembly in Rome, this is a most regrettable state of affairs. Senators, and other citizens have been using the Senate as the sole legislative body in the Republic ignoring the importance of the Assembly and the protection of the rights won at so great a cost to the plebian population.
This arrogance is quite breathtaking, it seems that many men of even Plebian rank do not recognize their heritage and the sacrifices of their ancestors which brought this second legislative body to Rome.
This month has been quite the 'honey on the pastry' if you will.
We have seen two bills passed last month in the Senate which require Assembly ratification and yet neither has been presented to the Assembly this month. What are these men thinking of? do they not know that without ratification a treaty is worthless? Or do they seek to snub this house's authority and consider the lex already ratified?
I cannot speak for the motives of my fellow Patricians in these instances but I can only promise you that on my return to Rome this December I will be making full use of the Assembly with a series of lex that will show my fellow Senators the power of the people and curb their self indulgence and vice.
Rest assured citizens, for there does still exist a Patrician Senator who knows the true value of ALL his fellow Romans.
Vale!
Caius Livius Drusus
Praetor of Baetica
Lentullus stands down to loud cheers and cries of "Drusus! Drusus!"
Message: I propose lex Cornelia Rhodius Sociare
Author: Praetor - Favonius Cornelius
Date: Jan 18, 1999 14:11
People of Rome!
Caius Livius Drusus has spoken words of wisdom...this time. It is true that two very importent treaties await ratification by the people. I have not approached these assemblies this month due to the great amount of work Sicilia demands in arranging it's healthy return to provincial status. Now finally I have the time to attend to this matter:
Therefore, I propose lex Cornelia Rhodius Sociare:
I. The status of friend and ally shall be renewed and reaffirmed with the state of Rhodius.
II. Any Rhodian merchant vessel conducting trade in a Roman city or province shall be free from
port dues and all trade taxes shall be reduced by 90%. The same shall apply to all Roman
merchants trading in Rhodian cities and lands.
III. When possible, each state shall strive to protect the other's merchant ships while they are
within local waters, or in any situation which may present itself.
IV. Rhodius shall accept Roman soldiers and ships of war should Rome's interests in the East
demand a military presence. Rhodius shall not be concidered garrisoned, but rather hosting the
military forces of a friend and ally.
I urge all citizens to vote for this treaty. The senate, that wise and august body of our Republic's finest, has given it's approval. The gains are obvious: new and bountiful trading possibilities in the east, safty from pirates, a strengthening of our land holding class through profit making, and an importent ally against that eastern despot King Antiochus who inches closer month by month, threatening our fair Republic.
For the economic, political and military safty of our lands, this tie with Rhodus must be reaffirmed.
(OOC: I would have proposed this treaty this month...but I've been away!)
Message: Treaty Ratification
Author: - Victorious Marius
Date: Jan 19, 1999 00:50
Citizens!
It never ceases to amaze me how many of our most prominant -- or at least the most vocal -- of our citizens seem to have psychic powers. How else can one explain their readiness to attribute motives of one sort or another (usually the worst sort) to the actions of other citizens? Such prognostications are most commonly done without any direct consultation with the (usually) slandared party. I rise today to correct one of these misguided attributions of motive, recently made before you by an agent of someone who sits (or perhaps lies?) at the far end of the Mediterranean regarding the proposed treaty with Illyria.
As the junior member of the Illyrian Treaty Commission and author of the proposed treaty, I fully expected the leader of our delegation, Titus Octavius Dalmaticus, to bring the document before you after the passage his "sense of the Senate" resolution. Although he has been unable to do so to date, I am certain he intended no slight toward this body by the "delay". (As many of you know Titus Octavaius is a stickler for details and has no doubt been fine-tuning every jot and tittle of the treaty before bringing it to you for consideration.)
To eliminate any doubt of the Commission's intentions, I hereby break with custom and precedent and propose ratification of the treaty as presented to the Senate and passed by that body.
To refresh your memories, the Illyrians have tentatively agreed to the following:
In return for the signing of a mutual defensive treaty, in which each party agrees to come to the aid of the other if attacked, the Illyrians will grant to Rome free access to Illyrian harbours, and free right of passage through Illyrian territory for our troops.
In addition the Ilyrians are to be expected pay standard allied tax rates to the treasury (70%) for all their towns and cities adding an extra 147 D per month to the treasury's funds.
If the Senate agrees to this treaty, and the assembly ratifies the agreement, we have the assurance of the Illyrian government that they will sign.
This treaty is good for Rome and for Illyria. Roman traders gain access to a large new market, the State gains an ally on its border and a buffer region between us and the Macedonians and eastern barbarians, and we gain the military support of an ally if we are attacked.
I urge you all to ratify this treaty.
Long Live the Republic!
Message: On treaties
Author: by messenger - Drakus Domitius, Patron
Date: Jan 25, 1999 14:05
People of Rome, it is time that you are consulted on the treaties which Rome has secured with other nations. I speak of course of the Lex Cornelia Rhodus Sociare and the Lex Octavia Pax Illyria. Both proposals have been passed in the Senate, and I ask that you consider them carefully as you cast your vote this month.
The Lex Octavia Pax Illyria benefits Rome immensely. We have an ally to call upon in time of struggle. We have a friendly buffer state between oursevles and the expansionist Macedon. The treaty increases our income as Illyria will contribute to our treasury through taxes. Rome only benefits from this arrangement and I offer my full support of the bill
The Lex Cornelia Rhodus Sociare on the other hand, provides no incentive for Rome. Sure, the wealthy will be able to use the treaty to increase their wealth through trade, but what does it do for Rome? Let me tell you. It decreases our revenue as taxes from Rhodes are cut below that of our Italian (and most loyal) allies. Rhodes taxes will be less than 10%! In return, what does Rome get? Nothing! The other provisions of the treaty just reaffirm the standing conditions between Rome and Rhodes. Let me repeat for you the opening statement in the treaty. "The status of friend and ally shall be renewed and reaffirmed with the state of Rhodus. Note that this is not a new treaty, instead, it just renews and reaffirms Rhodes status as friend and ally. Rome gains nothing from this agreement. I urge all to cast your vote against the Lex Cornelia Rhodus Sociare.
Message: VOTING PROPOSALS FOR NOVEMBER
Author: As Umpire - Caius Livius, Patron
Date: Jan 26, 1999 14:04
ASSEMBLY
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LEGISLATIVE PROPOSALS FOR NOVEMBER 199 BC
These are the Assembly proposals due for voting this turn. No further bills can be raised for consideration in this turn.
Please post your votes clearly and plainly. "Supporting the Lex Terentia Blah Blah n/t" or whatever is fine.
Lex Cornelia Rhodus Sociare: (F.C. Pola)
I. The status of friend and ally shall be renewed and reaffirmed with the state of Rhodius.
II. Any Rhodian merchant vessel conducting trade in a Roman city or province shall be free from
port dues and all trade taxes shall be reduced by 90%. The same shall apply to all Roman
merchants trading in Rhodian cities and lands.
III. When possible, each state shall strive to protect the other's merchant ships while they are
within local waters, or in any situation which may present itself.
IV. Rhodius shall accept Roman soldiers and ships of war should Rome's interests in the East
demand a military presence. Rhodius shall not be concidered garrisoned, but rather hosting the
military forces of a friend and ally.
Lex Octavia Pax Illyria: (V. Marius & L.T. Varro)
In return for the signing of a mutual defensive treaty, in which each party agrees to come to the aid of the other if attacked, the Illyrians will grant to Rome free access to Illyrian harbours, and free right of passage through Illyrian territory for our troops.
In addition the Ilyrians are to be expected pay standard allied tax rates to the treasury (70%) for all their towns and cities adding an extra 147 D per month to the treasury's funds.
Message: lex this month
Author: Praetor - Favonius Cornelius
Date: Jan 26, 1999 16:21
People of Rome, I support all lex in the assembly this month! Indeed, I fail to see how one would not support these treaties, for making friends is far more constructive than making enemies.
Yet, our Drakus Domitius would have it another way. He says it would only enrich the rich, and would actually decrease our income. He is dead wrong on both counts. While it is true that our income from Rhodian trade would decrease, our tax revinue from our own traders trading with Rhodius would increase. This would nullify any decrease, and as there have been few Rhodian ventures in these waters, we can only make money for our state. Indeed, peace and security, two very real outcomes of this treaty, promote prosperity for all levels of the state.
Drakus Domitius seems to think little of national security. In the senate he wishes to send a single legion to suppress all the barbarians in Cisalpine Gual! Does anyone here believe about 5,000 men can fare well against a barbarian horde of tens of thousands? This is pure folly. So too does he dismiss the expanding empire of King Antiochus. He believes that it is not worth reaffirming stale ties made decades ago. This treaty is of keen importence. We must be ready for all contingecies.
I have looked to the future to ensure our safty for today. I ask that the people of Rome do so too.
Message: Election announcement to the Censors!
Author: Praetor, (and Co-umpire) - Favonius Cornelius
Date: Jan 26, 1999 16:32
Honored Censors:
I have served with honor this past year in Sicilia, and intend to seek relection to the post of Provincial Praetor.
Additionally, as a man who cares for those less fortunate, I gladly donate 100D to the Widow and Orphan fund.
Favonius Cornelius Pola
Praetor of Sicilia
Senator et Auger
Message: Votes
Author: Private Works Aedile - Gustavus Caelius
Date: Jan 26, 1999 22:11
I support all.
And i announce to our excellent Censors i am seeking my election as Quaestor. I will give 100D to those poor widows.
Message: Clarification!
Author: As Umpire - Caius Livius, Patron
Date: Jan 27, 1999 04:55
Please don't post your candidacy here.
E-mail me and I will post the list of candidates at the beginning of the next turn.
Then in December you will have the chance to make a campaign speech (even a brief one).
Donations to Widows and Orphans is NOT the same as the NPC bribery. It MAY give you an extra chance of a decent posting but don't expect too much. Donations to W&O count as private works for CUL points.
Message: On the Lex Cornelia Rhodus Sociare
Author: by messenger - Drakus Domitius, Patron
Date: Jan 27, 1999 12:45
The Lex Cornelia Rhodus Sociare does not provide us with security against Antiochus. While I do not dismiss the possibility of future conflict with Antiochus, we have little reason to assign such sinister designs to him. Favonius is just jumpy, understandable for a man who was recently convicted of a serious crime. He wishes to shift attention away from himself in these times. Nevertheless, the renewal of this treaty with Rhodus is unneccessary. Are we to assume that the Rhodians would not live up to thier former treaty? If so, how would a new treaty ensure their loyalty? Let it be noted that the only affects of this treaty are as follows:
*UMPIRES NOTE: Game Effects as follows;
i. The profits on Roman trades to Rhodus would increase by a significant percentage. (Gazetteer modifier change)
ii. The tax revenue paid by Rhodus to Rome would decrease by 90% (effectively recogising her special position with Rome by giving her a tax rate of under 10%) (less tax to the treasury).
This law only hurts Rome. Do not vote for it.
Message: Final words on lex Cornelia
Author: Praetor - Favonius Cornelius
Date: Jan 28, 1999 00:23
I find Drakus Domitius' harsh words against my attempts to look to Rome's future suprizing. Rather than analyze the subject in detail, my fellow senator insults and resorts to weak arguements.
Here are the facts: 1.King Antiochus is a tyrant without any regard to our ideals of libertas, 2.King Antiochus has claimed Thracia as his own. From where, once he has this land, will he go next? 3.The Rhodians wish to renew our ties, why shall we deny them this? 4. It is tradition, (a little something we forget about far too often), to renew old treaties. As it has been decades since we last reaffirmed our ties, wouldn't it be a good statement to the Rhodians, and indeed the rest of the world, that Rome shall not tolarate interfearance in the Greek world by tyrants? Already we are at war with Philip because of this. 5. The only one's who do not gain from this are other powers who do not share such rich trading opportunities.
*CO-UMPIRES NOTE: Game Effects as follows;
i. The profits on Roman trades to Rhodus would increase by a significant percentage,
(Gazetteer modifier change), and tax revenue back at Italia will increase, as will the spending of this new money.
ii. The tax revenue paid by Rhodus to Rome would decrease by 90% (effectively
recogising her special position with Rome by giving her a tax rate of under 10%) (less tax to the
treasury, but of course not very much, as Rhodian trade in the western seas is minimal, and any losses will be more than made up by Roman profit. Again, the losers here are the other traders such as Carthrage and the eastern Kingdoms.)
Message: Clarification on Lex Cornelia
Author: Still Umpire - Caius Livius, Patron
Date: Jan 28, 1999 11:16
Gentlemen,
Whilst it is true that Jason is to be our next umpire (umpire elect, rather than co-umpire would be the correct term) the Umpire's note is correct as it stands.
The tax rate for Rhodus will drop to below 10% (90% cut in taxes, is how I believe it is stated in the lex Cornelia) therefore the tax they pay to the Roman treasury WILL fall by this amount.
It is however, true that this is not in reality a massive amount (after all she only pays 84D tax per month at present) and in the opinion of those who will support this bill this is a price worth paying for more profitable trade and the other listed benefits of the lex.
It is NOT however true, that the loss in tax to the treasury can be 'made up' in any way. The taxes Rome receives are those generated via the gazetteer, period. There is no possibility to arbitrarily increase taxes other than increases in tax rates or land values.
I would hope that when the final handover occurs (end of December turn) that these cornerstones of our game that were built by Marius and respected and followed by me, will continue immune to the whims or needs of any future umpire. This is not an attack on you Jason, I am sure that you will make an excellent umpire, but it is important that the game mechanics are not altered to suit anyone's pet schemes or requirements.
The Lex Cornelia Rhodus Sociare is well documented and it's effects have been known since it was first raised in the Senate. No changes are possible to it now, this is just a ratification of treaty bill now.
Message: My votes in the Assembly.
Author: P.Curius Hibernicus - Aziraphale Marius
Date: Jan 29, 1999 09:38
Ave, everybody.
I support Lex Octavia Pax Illyria.
I oppose Lex Cornelia Rhodus Sociare.
Vale,
Patricus Curius Hibernicus.
Message: CIVIL ELECTION CANDIDATES
Author: As Umpire - Caius Livius, Patron
Date: Feb 3, 1999 15:11
CIVIL OFFICE ELECTIONS
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The candidates for the various civil offices for next year are:
(PC's in blue)
Citzens! Please vote for ALL your candidates of choice on ONE ballot paper.
Please remember that you can only vote for ONE Consular candidate and ONE Censor.
CENSOR
Publivs Cornelivs Scipio Africanvs
Pvblivs Aelivs Paetvs
Marcvs Cornelivs Cethegvs
Gaivs Clavdivs Nero
CONSVL
Titvs Qvinctivs Flaminivs
Sextvs Aelivs Paetvs
Gnaevs Cornelivs Lentvllvs
Lvcivs Fvrivs Pvpvrio
PRAETORS & PRO-PRAETORS
Caivs Livivs Drvsvs
Gnaevs Ativs Pertinax
Favonivs Cornelivs Pola
Lvcivs Terentivs Varro
Minvtvs Manlivs
Decimvs Jvnivs Pompeivs
Gnaevs Manlivs Vvlso
Manivs Acilivs Glabrio
Marcvs Fvlvivs Sesqvicvlvm
Gaevs Laelivs
Gnaevs Domitivs Ahenobarbvs
Marcvs Fvlvivs Nobilor
Marcellvs Catvllvs Cvnctator
Gaivs Livivs Salinator
Tiberivs Sempronivs Longvs
Pvblivs Cornelivs Scipio Nasica
QVAESTORS
Drakvs Domitivs
Marcvs Aemilivs Scavrvs
Qvintvs Valerivs Catvllvs
Gvstavvs Caelivs
Marcvs Sempronivs Tvditanvs
Gaivs Calpvrnivs Piso
Qvintvs Marcivs Philippvs
Titvs Fvlvivs Lvpvs
Qvintvs Flavivs Labeo
Lvcivs Manlivs Acidinvs
Spvrivs Postvmivs Albinvs
Lvcivs Postvmivs Albinvs
Pvblivs Mvcivs Scaevola
Qvintvs Mvcivs Scaevola
Gnaevs Baebivs Tamphilvs
Marcvs Baebivs Tamphilvs
Caivs Octavivs
Marcvs Avrelivs Orestes
Marcvs Jvnivs Brvtvs
AEDILES
Patricvs Cvrivs Hibernicvs
Gnaevs Fvrivs Manlianvs (NPC son of M.M.)
Lvcivs Labenivs Practicvs
Gaivs Fvrnivs
Marvs Jvlivs Silanvs
Pvblivs Silivs Nerva
Gaivs Asinivs Pollio
TRIBVNE OF THE PLEBES
Cnaevs Cornelivs Messala
Lvcivs Antonivs
Pvblivs Vatinivs
Avlvs Gabinivs
Sextvs Pompeivs
Qvintvs Hortensivs
Pvblivs Vicinivs
Ivlvs Antonivs
Lvcivs Arrvntivs
Gaivs Silivs
Sextvs Appvleivs
Decimvs Papinivs
Marcvs Plavtivs
Message: Election Clarifications PLEASE READ
Author: As Umpire - Caius Livius, Patron
Date: Feb 5, 1999 06:55
Clarification on Elections,
Ok firstly, this turn is a three week turn to give extra time for the elections as detailed in the rules.
Secondly, the thorny question of the besieged PC's and their campaigns; how to be in two places at once, has been resolved. Candidates who are not in Rome (and cannot get there due to siege or military obligations) are considered to be running in absentia.
You may campaign as normal BUT if elected you cannot take up your new post or make any actions such as land purchase etc. until you are free to do so. (i.e.; until you can get out of Oricum etc.) If you die in the seige of Oricum then you never get there.
Candidates may now start to post their campaign speeches. Voting may ONLY take place in the final week after I have posted the official ballot paper.
Good Luck!
Message: CORRECTION PATRICUS!
Author: As Umpire - Caius Livius, Patron
Date: Feb 5, 1999 17:14
You cannot run for a SPECIFIC office only a GENERIC one. Therefore please post again bearing in mind you are running as Aedile, it will be up to the gods to decide which type of Aedile. All of you please READ THE RULES!
Message: Whoa, sorry Caius!!:)
Author: P.Curius Hibernicus - Aziraphale Marius
Date: Feb 6, 1999 02:51
Fine, I'll withdraw my speech and put in a new one in the morning. Sorry for the inconvenience.
Message: Nomination Speech
Author: Quintus Valerius Catullus - Maximus Manlius
Date: Feb 6, 1999 18:05
Citizens of Rome...
I stand before you to ask you to support me in my candidacy for quaestor of the Republic. At all times and in all places, Romans, have I not stood up for your rights as citizens? In the past you have trusted me, as when this city stood on the brink of riots, but the wisdom that is Roman in all of you won through, and you followed me to restore peace.
Romans, I am an honest man. I believe myself to be a competent man. Elect me to office as a quaestor -- give me my chance to offer all that I can to the Republic. Help me to elevate the name of Valerius Catullus to the magistracy, and I make before you and before all the gods my solemn vow to bring the name of Rome to light before all the world.
Message: Speech
Author: Gladiatorial Aedile - Drakus Domitius, Patron
Date: Feb 6, 1999 22:36
People of Rome,
I am happy to stand before you this day and put my campaign into your hands. You all know me. I have provided Gladiatorial Games for you for more than a year now. Month in and month out I have carried out this responsibility to provide Rome with entertainment.
Now I relinquish that position to another. May you choose one who will also strive to provide you with great entertainment.
I stand before you today as a candidate for the office of provincial Quaestor. You know that I will do my best in this position and will strive to ensure that all my duties are carried out fully and efficiently. I ask you to vote for DRakus Domitius for provincial quaestor on election day.
Message: Election Speech
Author: Quaestor - Pompey Domitius
Date: Feb 7, 1999 00:26
Fellow Romans, I present myself as a candidate for a provincial praetorship. I have served as Quaestor of Baetica this past year and feel I have served Rome well. I believe that I can continue to serve Rome as Praetor of a province. I will seek to keep the locals happy and to expand Romanization.
I ask for your vote in the election and I will see Rome's provinces pacified and prosperous.
Message: Quaestorship
Author: Private Works Aedile - Gustavus Caelius
Date: Feb 7, 1999 00:27
Ave romans!
You honoured me all this year because of your votes for my appointment of Private Works Aedile; i had fulfilled my charge and i hope you support me in this elections as quaestor, i will do my best and beyond for Rome and her sons.
Bona fortuna,
Caelius.
Message: Speech
Author: C. Cor. Messala - Ferrol Ulpius
Date: Feb 8, 1999 20:17
Roman Citizens.
Today I humbly stand for Tribune of the Plebs. All of you know my estimate for the simple soldiers and the poor but honest citizens because of I´m as the most of you: An authentic plebeian of the Aventine, devoid of enormous lands or an incredible villa on the Palatine but always proud of my roman blood.
I´m also fond of our old ideal, the "senatus populusque", the perfect harmony of the parts, and therefore I think be able to do a good job defending your rights and privileges in the Senate.
Vote me, wise citizens, and our dear Plebs will has a true protector.
Message: Letter to the People of Rome
Author: A messenger of - Minutus Manlius
Date: Feb 9, 1999 06:35
(A messenger from Macedonia stands on the Rostra and signs to want to speak)
Quirites!
I have just arrived from the besieged city of Oricum. I brought to you a letter with venturing my life from my master Minutus Manlius. As you all know well, he has served there as Military Questor. Unfortunately he is not able to leave the city surrounded by greek forces. So let me allow to read his message!
(He take a scroll out of the wrinkle of his toga and begins to read it)
"People of Rome! Quirites!
One year ago I spoke here asking you to give me a vote of confidence and entrust me with the Military Questorship. I have promised to serve as my best, always for Rome and not for my personal interests. One year has gone. A hard year for me. We have fought in a foreign country and we have won but we have lost too. Many of us has injured, many of us has died under the bleeding sky of Macedonia. There is only one sure thing: whether we won or lost, we gave always our best for Rome.
During these hard battles I never forgot my duty as Arena Aedile. I have always found the opportunity to organize games via my servants and good men. Even evil rumors were occured against me in the beginning, but finally everybody realized my truth and competence in this office. Perhaps I can say that I served your confidence. Now I appeal to you again. Remember my last year and support me in my intentions to reach the Provincial Praetorship. I can only promise you as I did one year ago. But this promise is founded on my previous duty. I'd like to take the job as soon as I can leave Oricum. I hope to your satisfaction.
Long Live the Republic!
Former Military Questor and Arena Aedile: Minutus Manlius"
(The messenger rolls up the scroll and leaves the Rostra)
Message: Lex Manlia de Colonizatione
Author: Letter from - Minutus Manlius
Date: Feb 9, 1999 07:48
Quirites!
The Aerarium is in need of gold in these weeks. That is why we can not allow spend money, only on the most necessary expenses. I propose to prevent all colony foundations and improvements until the state treasury have 15 000 D.
Of course all privately donated foundations and improvements could be allowed as so far, if the proposal passes through the Senate.
Please consider this and vote on this lex!
Long Live the Republic!
Message: Election Speech
Author: Lucius Terentius Varro - Germanicus Terentius
Date: Feb 9, 1999 11:16
Friends and Citizens!
I stand before you today to ask for your support in my bid for a Praetorship. You know me well as a generous contributor to cultural events and for the many public feasts that I have sponsored at my own expense. I have also worked tirelessly as a prosecutor in our courts; never seeking the responsibility, but answering the call when asked by the Censors. I have fought shoulder-to-shoulder with your sons, brothers and fathers in Sicilia, and have always advocated stategies that have ensured Roman victory for a minimal loss of Roman life. Casualty rates among the Sicilian legions are the lowest in the Republic.
Elect me as Praetor so that I might continue to serve Rome. My administrative skills as Quaestor of Sicilia speak for themselves, and serve as an indication of the good work that I can do for the Republic as Praetor.
Message: Returning to the Rostra
Author: Lucius Terentius Varro - Germanicus Terentius
Date: Feb 9, 1999 11:20
Friends and Citizens!
I want to commend to your attention C. Cor. Messala. This young man has served the Republic well and seeks to further the aims of the common people by being elected as your Tribune. Vote for Messala for Tribune of the Plebs. A more hard-working, honest man you will not find in Rome.
Message: On the Lex Manlia de Colonizatione
Author: P.Curius Hibernicus - Aziraphale Marius
Date: Feb 9, 1999 13:06
I have read my friend Minutus Manlius' proposal in the Assembly. Though his intentions are good, I must say that he is being a little overambitious. If we wanted to have our treasury reach 15000D in a relatively short time, we would have to shut down major functions of the Republic, not just our colonization plans.
Colonization plans have not been a major drain on the treasury. It is not as if there has been a colonization plan proposal passed every month in the Assembly or the Senate. The last colonization proposal passed was months ago. It was the Lex Manlia Aleria.:)
Patricus Curius Hibernicus
Message: My speech for the Aedileship.
Author: P.Curius Hibernicus - Aziraphale Marius
Date: Feb 9, 1999 13:12
Ave, friends.
My name is Patricus Curius Hibernicus and I am running for the aedileship. I have taken a great interest in both gladiatorial and arena competitions. This interest is not just for the sake of personal gain. I am also hoping to give my fellow Romans fine entertainment.
If elected aedile, I promise to give them the great entertainment that they both want and deserve. I promise to be a great aedile.
Long live Rome!!
Message: To Patricus
Author: - Minutus Manlius
Date: Feb 10, 1999 06:03
My friend,
you are surely right, Lex Manlia was the last proposal passed concerning colonization. Do not forget, that I have paid the cost of this action and the increased tax income provided more support for the treasury instead of drain our founds. Please note, that my lex concerns colonization from the state treasury only, personally donated colony founding and improving is not included in this proposal.
Vale!
Message: Touche, Minutus.
Author: P.Curius Hibernicus - Aziraphale Marius
Date: Feb 10, 1999 14:21
My friend,
Point well taken, you are right. However, it does not change the fact that Corsica still needs this prosperity boost. We cannot simply give a half-hearted form of help to Corsica, and then leave the job unfinished. We want to show those provinces that are under Rome's guardianship that Rome takes care of her people.
(Besides, I'm trying to make Corsica an easier place to be for a quaestor who has the unfortunate luck of being sent there! :)
Vale,
Patricus
Message: I ask the people for the Propraetorship!
Author: Praetor - Favonius Cornelius
Date: Feb 10, 1999 19:11
Citizens of Rome!
Though a number of our provinces have been pacified, still Lusitania and Tarraconensis remain in arms, and the now peaceful provinces need administrative direction to remain so. I have been serving my fullest to this end, and now I ask that the people grant me a relection so that I may continue to safeguard this greatest of cities' overseas posessions.
LONG LIVE THE REPUBLIC!
Message: De Lege Manliae Colonizatione
Author: Q. V. Catullus - Maximus Manlius
Date: Feb 10, 1999 21:14
Romans!
I fully appreciate Minutus Manlius' motive in proposing this lex. Rome must not squander money uselessly on cities outside of Italy's borders. Her moneys are tight, and too many men are apparently overawed by the thought of having access to the aerarium as a tool for furthering their own political and fiscal careers.
But I am afraid I cannot support his lex. Tacked under the rostra, citizens, for your perusal is a copy of the latest aerarium report (from Imperium News, November 199). Please note that Rome, although it had no outstanding expenses such as new colonies, lost money. Not much, but some. Should this body pass a law restricting investment, how is that situation to be remedied?
By demobilization of Rome's forces? Now, while an army lies in dire need in Macedonia?
Or shall we hope for the continued intervention of the wealthy to help us? For, Romans, as much as it pains me to say it, I am afraid the wealthy are not very likely to pull us out of this mess without expecting their cut from the whole deal. And does the whole city really want to put itself in the hands of bankers and moneylenders?
No, Romans, I feel now as I have in the past; that the solution to this problem is not to call for a wholesale freezing of Rome's moneys, but a fervent plea from all here to the men of the Senate to please consider their decisions wisely -- put Rome's money where it belongs.
Message: In support of Patricus Curius Hibernicus
Author: Q. V. Catullus - Maximus Manlius
Date: Feb 10, 1999 21:30
Romans!
I would like to pledge my full support to Patricus Curius Hibernicus as her runs for Aedile. This noble citizen has undertaken a task which others shirk from pretending at. Hibernicus has shown himself to be a truly devoted officer of Rome during his quaestorship, and I for one consider him Rome's finest candidate for the first of the Triple Honors -- the office of Aedile.
And should Lady Fortuna see fit to place Hibernicus in charge of the racetrack -- well, there is no other citizen that I know of who enjoys the sport more or is more involved in chariot racing. He is the ideal candidate for Aedile, and I would vote for him if he were running against myself.
Message: My thanks to you, Catullus.
Author: P.Curius Hibernicus - Aziraphale Marius
Date: Feb 11, 1999 11:51
I promise to be the best aedile that Rome has had.
And I hope to see you at the Arena (as a spectator, of course:)).
Vale,
Patricus Curius Hibernicus.
Message: Propraetorship...
Author: Gn. Atius Pertinax - Diocletian Valerius
Date: Feb 11, 1999 21:32
Friends, Romans, Countrymen, lend me your ears! I have endeavoured to serve my country in Macedon, and following the extrication of the army there (which should be within a few months)from its temporary difficulties, I would like to serve this, our Pater Patria, as propraetor. I enjoyed an excellent record as Praetor of Sicily, and would be able to do an even better job after my experience over the last few years.
I must say that I am impressed by all of the candidates who have spoken thus far, and wish all luck this year.
Message: VOTING PROPOSALS FOR DECEMBER 199 BC
Author: As Umpire - Caius Livius, Patron
Date: Feb 13, 1999 04:25
ASSEMBLY
LEGISLATIVE PROPOSALS FOR DECEMBER 199 BC
These are the Assembly proposals due for voting this turn. No further bills can be raised for consideration in this turn.
Please post your votes clearly and plainly. "Supporting the Lex Terentia Blah Blah n/t" or whatever is fine.
Lex Manlia de Colonizatione: (M. Manlius)
Proposal to prevent further colony foundations and enlargements until the state treasury has reached 15,000 D. All privately donated foundations and improvements are to be exempt from this requirement.
Message: Elect Me Quaestor
Author: Marcus Aemilius Scaurus - Decius Aemilius, Patron
Date: Feb 13, 1999 16:01
My Fellow Romans!
We are now engaged in great conflicts, and the time has come to for each Roman to work to show the world that Rome rightful place is on top. I, Marcus Aemilius Scaurus, Patrician, vow to do my best for Rome as your Quaestor. You know what I can do- allow me to show you again.
Message: CLD's Campaign Speech!
Author: As PC - Caius Livius, Patron
Date: Feb 15, 1999 09:05
On the Monday after his Triumph a refreshed Caius Livius Drusus ascends the Rostra and addresses the people below.
People of Rome!
I stand here before you after my recent return from Baetica and the feasting that followed my Triumph at the weekend.
Here I stand relieved of Imperium, once again a plain citizen of this great Republic to ask you for your support in my plans for election to a second Praetorship in the service of our great people.
As you will know for the last year I have been in Baetica charged with first, putting down the rebellion there and bringing it's perpetrators to justice, then to rebuild Baetica and to strengthen her to prevent her from ever turning on her master again.
This I have done; bringing the rebellion to and end in four months and bringing it's ringleaders here to face their execution.
I Then embarked on a policy of colonisation for the province together with the support of Quaestor, Decimus Junius Pompeius and Aedile, Drakus Domitius; succeeding in having seven of the eleven cities in Baetica now firmly established as Roman colonies and the administrtive capital moved to Italica from Gades.
In additon to this I have overseen the construction of a new Temple in Malaca and a new Theatre in Corduba as well as the total resurfacing of the main Via, now by gracious recognition of the Senate named the Via Livia. this done out of funds recovered from the rebellious cities. On top of this the rebel prisoners of war have brought an additional 6,000 D to Rome's treasury.
Throughout this year I have worked hard together with many fine citizens to further the aims of the Republic and to broaden her wealth and influence. I have helped many men climb their way quickly up the Coursus Honorum and all that have dealt with me will tell you I am a fair man who will always support his friends and is willing to forgive his enemies.
I ask you all to support me in the elections and trust in the gods to bring me a province which I can serve in the way in which I served Baetica.
Message: Candidate Voting May Now Commence!
Author: As Umpire - Caius Livius, Patron
Date: Feb 15, 1999 09:10
Citizens,
You can now start to post your votes for the civil elections. Please remember to put them all one one voting paper (post) and head it "My Election Votes" so that I can see it amongst the other Assembly Lege votes.
Remember that you can support as many PC's as you wish for each post.
Good luck all!
Message: Final Ballot Paper for Elections
Author: As Umpire - Caius Livius, Patron
Date: Feb 15, 1999 09:12
CIVIL OFFICE ELECTIONS
The candidates for the various civil offices for next year are:
(PC's in blue)
Citzens! Please vote for ALL your candidates of choice on ONE ballot paper.
Please remember that you can only vote for ONE Consular candidate and ONE Censor.
CENSOR
Publivs Cornelivs Scipio Africanvs
Pvblivs Aelivs Paetvs
Marcvs Cornelivs Cethegvs
Gaivs Clavdivs Nero
CONSVL
Titvs Qvinctivs Flaminivs
Sextvs Aelivs Paetvs
Gnaevs Cornelivs Lentvllvs
Lvcivs Fvrivs Pvpvrio
PRAETORS & PRO-PRAETORS
Caivs Livivs Drvsvs
Gnaevs Ativs Pertinax
Favonivs Cornelivs Pola
Lvcivs Terentivs Varro
Minvtvs Manlivs
Decimvs Jvnivs Pompeivs
Gnaevs Manlivs Vvlso
Manivs Acilivs Glabrio
Marcvs Fvlvivs Sesqvicvlvm
Gaevs Laelivs
Gnaevs Domitivs Ahenobarbvs
Marcvs Fvlvivs Nobilor
Marcellvs Catvllvs Cvnctator
Gaivs Livivs Salinator
Tiberivs Sempronivs Longvs
Pvblivs Cornelivs Scipio Nasica
QVAESTORS
Drakvs Domitivs
Marcvs Aemilivs Scavrvs
Qvintvs Valerivs Catvllvs
Gvstavvs Caelivs
Marcvs Sempronivs Tvditanvs
Gaivs Calpvrnivs Piso
Qvintvs Marcivs Philippvs
Titvs Fvlvivs Lvpvs
Qvintvs Flavivs Labeo
Lvcivs Manlivs Acidinvs
Spvrivs Postvmivs Albinvs
Lvcivs Postvmivs Albinvs
Pvblivs Mvcivs Scaevola
Qvintvs Mvcivs Scaevola
Gnaevs Baebivs Tamphilvs
Marcvs Baebivs Tamphilvs
Caivs Octavivs
Marcvs Avrelivs Orestes
Marcvs Jvnivs Brvtvs
AEDILES
Patricvs Cvrivs Hibernicvs
Gnaevs Fvrivs Manlianvs (NPC son of M.M.)
Lvcivs Labenivs Practicvs
Gaivs Fvrnivs
Marvs Jvlivs Silanvs
Pvblivs Silivs Nerva
Gaivs Asinivs Pollio
TRIBVNE OF THE PLEBES
Cnaevs Cornelivs Messala
Lvcivs Antonivs
Pvblivs Vatinivs
Avlvs Gabinivs
Sextvs Pompeivs
Qvintvs Hortensivs
Pvblivs Vicinivs
Ivlvs Antonivs
Lvcivs Arrvntivs
Gaivs Silivs
Sextvs Appvleivs
Decimvs Papinivs
Marcvs Plavtivs
Message: My Election Votes!
Author: As PC - Caius Livius, Patron
Date: Feb 15, 1999 09:19
My votes for this year's elections are as follows:
CENSOR
Publivs Cornelivs Scipio Africanvs
CONSVL
Titvs Qvinctivs Flaminivs
PRAETORS & PRO-PRAETORS
Caivs Livivs Drvsvs
Gnaevs Ativs Pertinax
Favonivs Cornelivs Pola
Lvcivs Terentivs Varro
Minvtvs Manlivs
Decimvs Jvnivs Pompeivs
Marcellvs Catvllvs Cvnctator
Gaivs Livivs Salinator
QVAESTORS
Drakvs Domitivs
Marcvs Aemilivs Scavrvs
Qvintvs Valerivs Catvllvs
Gvstavvs Caelivs
Marcvs Sempronivs Tvditanvs
Qvintvs Mvcivs Scaevola
Gnaevs Baebivs Tamphilvs
Marcvs Baebivs Tamphilvs
Marcvs Jvnivs Brvtvs
AEDILES
Patricvs Cvrivs Hibernicvs
Gnaevs Fvrivs Manlianvs (NPC son of M.M.)
Pvblivs Silivs Nerva
Gaivs Asinivs Pollio
TRIBVNE OF THE PLEBES
Cnaevs Cornelivs Messala
Lvcivs Antonivs
Marcvs Plavtivs
May all these fine men be allowed to serve Rome!
Out of Character
You don't have to vote for NPC's I just did it for a bit of fun!
Message: My votes for the election
Author: P.Curius Hibernicus - Aziraphale Marius
Date: Feb 15, 1999 13:27
Censor: Publius Cornelius Scipio Africanus
Consul: Titus Quinctius Flaminius.
Praetor/Propraetor:
Caius Livius Drusus
Gnaeus Atius Pertinax
Favonius Cornelius Pola
Lucius Terentius Varro
Minutus Manlius
Decimus Junius Pompeius
Quaestor:
Drakus Domitius
Marcus Aemilius Scaurus
Quintus Valerius Catullus
Gustavus Caelius
Aediles:
Patricus Curius Hibernicus
Gnaeus Furius Manlianus
Tribune of the Plebs:
Cnaeus Cornelius Messala
Publius Vatinius
There it is!
Message: My election votes...
Author: - Gustavus Caelius
Date: Feb 15, 1999 20:52
Censor:
Marcus Cornelius Cethegus.
Consul:
Sextus Aelius Paetus.
Praetor/Propraetor:
Gnaeus Atius Pertinax
Favonius Cornelius Pola
Decimus Junius Pompeius
Caius Livius Drusus
Minutus Manlius
Lucius Terentius Varro
Quaestor:
Marcus Aemilius Scaurus
Gustavus Caelius
Drakus Domitius
Quintus Valerius Catullus
Aedile:
Patricus Curius Hibernicus
Gnaeus Furius Manlianus
Tribune:
Cnaeus Cornelius Messala
Message: Election speak
Author: Gnaeus Furius Manilianus - Minutus Manlius
Date: Feb 16, 1999 05:27
Quirites!
As my father before me, I am ready to serve Rome as Aedile, and entertain you with grandious chariot races in the future. If no one will start for this job, that is my duty. I promise to work so hard like my father did. Support me and you will support your future entertainment in this city.
Long Live the Republic!!!
Message: My election votes
Author: Aedile - Minutus Manlius
Date: Feb 16, 1999 07:38
People of Rome!
Hear my votes for public office holders in the upcoming year!
For CENSORSHIP I propose PUBLUS CORNELIUS SCIPIO AFRICANUS
For CONSULSHIP I propose GNAEUS CORNELIUS LENTULUS at the first place and LUCIUS FURIUS PUPIRIO at the second
For PRAETORSHIP: Caius Livius Drusus
Gnaeus Atius Pertinax
Favonius Cornelius Pola
Lucius Terentius Varro
Minutus Manlius
Decimus Junius Pompeius
Gnaeus Manlius Vulso
Tiberius Sempronius Longus
For QUESTORSHIP: Drakus Domitius
Marcus Aemilius Scaurus
Quintus Valerius Catullus
Gustavus Caelius
Marcus Baebius Tamphilus
Marcus Aurelius Orestes
Marcus Sempronius Tuditanus
Quintus Mucius Scaevola
Titus Fulvius Lupus
For AEDILESHIP: Patricus Curius Hibernicus
Gnaeus Furius Manilianus
Gaius Asinius Pollio
Publius Silius Nerva
For TRIBUNE of PLEBIS: Gnaeus Cornelius Messala
Aulus Gabinius
Iulius Antonius
(OOC: I hope no PCs were leaved out :)
Message: Votes...
Author: Gn. Atius Pertinax - Diocletian Valerius
Date: Feb 16, 1999 09:45
For Censor:
Publivs Cornelivs Scipio Africanvs
Gaivs Clavdivs Nero
For Consul:
Gnaevs Cornelivs Lentvllvs
Lvcivs Fvrivs Pvpvrio
For Praetor and Propraetor spots:
Caivs Livivs Drvsvs
Gnaevs Ativs Pertinax
Favonivs Cornelivs Pola
Lvcivs Terentivs Varro
Minvtvs Manlivs
Decimvs Jvnivs Pompeivs
Gaevs Laelivs
Marcellvs Catvllvs Cvnctator
For Quaestor:
Drakvs Domitivs
Marcvs Aemilivs Scavrvs
Qvintvs Valerivs Catvllvs
Gvstavvs Caelivs
Marcvs Sempronivs Tvditanvs
Lvcivs Manlivs Acidinvs
Qvintvs Mvcivs Scaevola
Caivs Octavivs
For Aedile:
Patricvs Cvrivs Hibernicvs
Gnaevs Fvrivs Manlianvs (NPC son of M.M.)
Lvcivs Labenivs Practicvs
Gaivs Asinivs Pollio
TRIBVNE OF THE PLEBES
I highly recommend Aulus Gabinius, my wife's relative, as Tribune of the Plebs.
Cnaevs Cornelivs Messala
Avlvs Gabinivs
Sextvs Pompeivs
Qvintvs Hortensivs
Lvcivs Arrvntivs
Gaivs Silivs
Decimvs Papinivs
Marcvs Plavtivs
Message: My Election Votes
Author: Lucius Terentius Varro - Germanicus Terentius
Date: Feb 16, 1999 10:17
I support the following candidates:
Censor:
Gaius Claudius Nero
Consul:
Lucius Furius Pupurio
Praetor:
Caius Livius Drusus
Gnaeus Atius Pertinax
Favonius Cornelius Pola
Lucius Terentius Varro
Minutus Manlius
Decimus Junius Pompeius
Gaius Livius Salinator
Tiberius Sempronius Longus
Quaestor:
Drakus Domitius
Marcus Aemilius Scaurus
Quintus Valerius Catullus
Marcus Sempronius Tuditanus
Aediles:
Patricus Curius Hibernicus
Gnaeus Furius Manlianus
Publius Silius Nerva
Tribunes of the Plebs:
Cnaeus Cornelius Messala
Gaius Silius
Decimus Papinius
Message: repost
Author: Gn. Atius Pertinax - Diocletian Valerius
Date: Feb 16, 1999 10:27
or Censor:
P. Scipio Africanus
For Consul:
Gnaeus Cornelius Lentullus
Message: My Votes
Author: Marcus Aemilius Scaurus - Decius Aemilius, Patron
Date: Feb 16, 1999 11:16
Censor: Publius Cornelius Scipio Africanus
Consul: Titus Quinctius Flaminius.
Praetor:
Caius Livius Drusus
Gnaeus Atius Pertinax
Favonius Cornelius Pola
Lucius Terentius Varro
Minutus Manlius
Decimus Junius Pompeius
Quaestor:
Drakus Domitius
Marcus Aemilius Scaurus
Quintus Valerius Catullus
Gustavus Caelius
Aediles:
Patricus Curius Hibernicus
Gnaeus Furius Manlianus
Tribune of the Plebs:
Cnaeus Cornelius Messala
Publius Vatinius
Message: My Votes - OOPS!
Author: Lucius Terentius Varro - Germanicus Terentius
Date: Feb 16, 1999 11:31
I forgot to vote for Gustavus Caelius for Quastor. He has my support (sorry Caius, I know you said only one ballot, but this was an inadvertant ommission, please accept this vote as well as my previous one).
Message: Election votes
Author: - Drakus Domitius, Patron
Date: Feb 16, 1999 12:02
I vote for the following:
Censor: Gaivs Clavdivs Nero
Consul: Lvcivs Fvrivs Pvpvrio
Praetors and Propraetors:
Caivs Livivs Drvsvs
Gnaevs Ativs Pertinax
Favonivs Cornelivs Pola
Lvcivs Terentivs Varro
Minvtvs Manlivs
Decimvs Jvnivs Pompeivs
Gnaevs Domitivs Ahenobarbvs
Pvblivs Cornelivs Scipio Nasica
Quaestors:
Drakvs Domitivs
Marcvs Aemilivs Scavrvs
Qvintvs Valerivs Catvllvs
Gvstavvs Caelivs
Marcvs Avrelivs Orestes
Marcvs Jvnivs Brvtvs
Aediles:
Patricvs Cvrivs Hibernicvs
Gnaevs Fvrivs Manlianvs (NPC son of M.M.)
Lvcivs Labenivs Practicvs
Tribune of the Plebs:
Cnaevs Cornelivs Messala
Lvcivs Antonivs
Lvcivs Arrvntivs
Gaivs Silivs
Message: Votes for Election
Author: Q. V. Catullus - Maximus Manlius
Date: Feb 16, 1999 14:31
CENSOR: Publivs Cornelivs Scipio Africanvs
CONSVLIS: Sextvs Aelivs Paetvs
PRAETORES PROPRAETORESQVE:
Caivs Livivs Drvsvs
Gnaevs Ativs Pertinax
Favonivs Cornelivs Pola
Lvcivs Terentivs Varro
Minvtvs Manlivs
Decimvs Jvnivs Pompeivs
Gnaevs Domitivs Ahenobarbvs
Marcellvs Catvllvs Cvnctator
QVAESTORES:
Drakvs Domitivs
Marcvs Aemilivs Scavrvs
Qvintvs Valerivs Catvllvs
Gvstavvs Caelivs
Qvintvs Marcivs Philippvs
Lvcivs Postvmivs Albinvs
AEDILES:
Patricvs Cvrivs Hibernicvs
Gnaevs Fvrivs Manlianvs (NPC son of M.M.)
Lvcivs Labenivs Practicvs
Pvblivs Silivs Nerva
TRIBVNES PLEBUM:
Cnaevs Cornelivs Messala
Avlvs Gabinivs
Message: Election Votes
Author: C. Cor. Messala - Ferrol Ulpius
Date: Feb 17, 1999 08:00
Censor: G. Claudius Nero
Consul: Lucius Furius Pupirio
Praetor:
C. Livius Drusus
G. Atius Pertinax
F. Cornelius Pola
L. Terentius Varro
Minutus Manlius
D. Junius Pompeius
C. Livius Salinator
T. Sempronius Longus
Quaestor:
Drakus Domitius
Gustavus Caelius
M. Aemilius Scaurus
Q. Valerius Catullus
Aediles:
P. Curius Hibernicus
G. Furius Manlianus
P. Silius Nerva
Tribune of Plebs:
Cnaeus Cornelius Messala
Gaius Silius
Decimus Papinius
Message: Election votes..
Author: Praetor - Favonius Cornelius
Date: Feb 17, 1999 17:42
Censor:
Publivs Cornelivs Scipio Africanvs
Pvblivs Aelivs Paetvs
Consul:
Titvs Qvinctivs Flaminivs
Sextvs Aelivs Paetvs
Praetors et Propraetors:
Caivs Livivs Drvsvs
Gnaevs Ativs Pertinax
Favonivs Cornelivs Pola
Lvcivs Terentivs Varro
Minvtvs Manlivs
Decimvs Jvnivs Pompeivs
Tiberivs Sempronivs Longvs
Pvblivs Cornelivs Scipio Nasica
Quaestors:
Drakvs Domitivs
Marcvs Aemilivs Scavrvs
Qvintvs Valerivs Catvllvs
Gvstavvs Caelivs
Marcvs Sempronivs Tvditanvs
Spvrivs Postvmivs Albinvs
Aediles:
Patricvs Cvrivs Hibernicvs
Gnaevs Fvrivs Manlianvs
Tribunes:
Cnaevs Cornelivs Messala
Qvintvs Hortensivs
Message: My Election Votes
Author: Tiberius Claudius Drusus - Ulpianus Domitius
Date: Feb 18, 1999 16:48
I lend my support to the following candidates in their campaigns for office.
Praetor:
Caius Livius Drusus
Lucius Terentius Varro
Quaestor:
Drakus Domitius
Tribune of the Plebs:
Cnaeus Cornelius Messala
Message: Civil Election Results!
Author: As Umpire - Caius Livius, Patron
Date: Feb 19, 1999 10:39
CIVIL OFFICE ELECTION RESULTS
The elected officials for the various civil offices for next year are:
(PC's in blue)
CENSOR
Publivs Cornelivs Scipio Africanvs
Pvblivs Aelivs Paetvs
CONSVL
Titvs Qvinctivs Flaminivs (Snr)
Sextvs Aelivs Paetvs (Jnr)
PRAETORS & PRO-PRAETORS
Caivs Livivs Drvsvs (Pro-Praetor elect of Lusitania)
Gnaevs Ativs Pertinax (Pro-Praetor elect of Corsica)
Favonivs Cornelivs Pola (Pro-Praetor elect of Sicilia)
Lvcivs Terentivs Varro (Praetor elect of Baetica)
Minvtvs Manlivs (Praetor elect of Tarraconensis)
Decimvs Jvnivs Pompeivs (Praetor elect of Criminal Court)
Gaivs Livivs Salinator (Pro-Praetor elect of Civil Court)
Gnaevs Domitivs Ahenobarbvs (Praetor elect of Sardinia)
QVAESTORS
Drakvs Domitivs (Quaestor Elect of Baetica)
Marcvs Aemilivs Scavrvs (Withdrawn)
Qvintvs Valerivs Catvllvs (Quaestor Elect of Sardinia)
Gvstavvs Caelivs (Quaestor Elect of Tarraconensis)
Marcvs Sempronivs Tvditanvs (Military Quaestor)
Gaivs Calpvrnivs Piso (Military Quaestor)
Qvintvs Marcivs Philippvs (Military Quaestor)
Titvs Fvlvivs Lvpvs (Military Quaestor)
Qvintvs Flavivs Labeo (Military Quaestor)
Lvcivs Manlivs Acidinvs (Military Quaestor)
Spvrivs Postvmivs Albinvs (Military Quaestor)
Lvcivs Postvmivs Albinvs (Military Quaestor)
Pvblivs Mvcivs Scaevola (Military Quaestor)
Qvintvs Mvcivs Scaevola (Military Quaestor)
Gnaevs Baebivs Tamphilvs (Military Quaestor)
Marcvs Baebivs Tamphilvs (Military Quaestor)
Caivs Octavivs (Military Quaestor)
Marcvs Avrelivs Orestes (Quaestor Elect of Sicilia)
Marcvs Jvnivs Brvtvs (Quaestor Elect of Corsica)
AEDILES
Patricvs Cvrivs Hibernicvs (Gladiatorial Aedile Elect)
Gnaevs Fvrivs Manlianvs (Arena Aedile Elect)
Marvs Jvlivs Silanvs (Public Works Aedile)
Pvblivs Silivs Nerva (Private works Aedile)
TRIBVNE OF THE PLEBES
Cnaevs Cornelivs Messala
Lvcivs Antonivs
Pvblivs Vatinivs
Avlvs Gabinivs
Sextvs Pompeivs
Pvblivs Vicinivs
Ivlvs Antonivs
Lvcivs Arrvntivs
Gaivs Silivs
Decimvs Papinivs
I have decided to post this early as it has become apparent that ALL PC'S will be elected this time (due to the great brotherly love we are all showning each other at this election).
As allowable under the rules (3.4.5) players may now engage in voluntary trade of their postings for the period of one week from today. Please read the applicable rules and note the restrictions. Those not interested in trading their posts can save the umpire time by e-mailing their decision to keep their current posting to him.